re: Horrific story in Baton Rouge with new facts coming out

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tar baby

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Perfect description.

As for higher ed, nowhere is immune. This Alabama prof has had enough.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/01/the-woke-purge-in-the-sciences.php

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I know when we hire engineers, we consider MIT and Bunker Hill a wash.

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Yep. Engineering is a field where the diploma absolutely makes a difference.

Auburn =/= Ga Tech

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Higher education is going to collapse in the US for a host of reasons. A hyperbolic sarcastic response to the situation really underscores how hard it is to defend the system.

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Lol, isn't your standard response with me the most idiotic hyperbole, which usually starts with some complete misrepresentation of what I said previously?

Yeah it is going to collapse, but not from the 12 or so departments that were left teaching the Frankfurt School. It's going to collapse because you cannot functionally expect students to be both customers and learners. You cannot provide any fiduciary guarantee for learning in any non-vocational major, which will be a massive loss for the US culturally. The most culturally fecund period for the US was through the GI Bill, which democratized arts and literature and produced some amazing, distinctly American artforms and work.

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IMO, one of the most closely guarded secrets across society is that no one actually learns anything in college classrooms.

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I often wonder if the people who try to pretend otherwise even attended college.

Blah blah. Get fricked. We’re well past talking past each other.

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Except instructors in 2023 are preaching Communism rather than those in 1968 teaching Capitalism

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The instructors in 68 were absolutely not teaching 'capitalism.' That isn't an accurate statement by any measure. Indeed, much of the initial pushback towards The Frankfurt School was pushback towards Herbert Marcuse, as he gave a few speeches during May 1968 in Paris during the protests of 1968.

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Yeah it is going to collapse, but not from the 12 or so departments that were left teaching the Frankfurt School. It's going to collapse because you cannot functionally expect students to be both customers and learners. You cannot provide any fiduciary guarantee for learning in any non-vocational major, which will be a massive loss for the US culturally. The most culturally fecund period for the US was through the GI Bill, which democratized arts and literature and produced some amazing, distinctly American artforms and work.

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The system devoured itself. I'm as saddened by it as you are, but I don't know if you see it as the same cause.

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you usually don't know what you are talking about and can't respond substantially.

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I could do what you do and throw out a few random ideas, promise a full dissertation that makes no declarations but eternally halves the baby and then never deliver on anything.

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The system devoured itself. I'm as saddened by it as you are, but I don't know if you see it as the same cause.

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Well, part of the root case has to be the incredible growth in administrative level positions at college campuses, which mimics a larger 'professionalization of bureaucratization' phenomena followed in other fields, including all the sciences. The relative academic freedom was determined partially by market forces, which is a terrible way of educating a populace, as the budgets of 'vocational' departments dwarfed the budgets of traditional humanities and liberal arts departments, which had a two-fold effect.

First, it made the political leanings of specific, individual professors more influential at a department level, as departments became smaller and smaller while student populations grew and grew. Second, it forced many in the humanities to obsess over 'revolutionary' thinking, inspired partly by Thomas Kuhn's historicist revolt against positivism, that was for many singularly career-based, as the easiest way to get tenure was to find more and more provocative ways of approaching knowledge.

If your unwilling to tell your kids we definitely aren't all the same this never stop happening

Never relax around blacks 14 to 45
Just because they run fast for your perfer school don't make this OK.