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re: HLI: Update/resurrection
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:11 am to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:11 am to ThinePreparedAni
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HLI: Update/resurrection
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ThinePreparedAni
Thank you for putting this together! Enjoyed the last
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:15 am to LSUfanNkaty
It's enjoyable, but am I missing something? Does this guy ever use context clues to prove anything about what happened in the past? He is cleary a very intelligent guy but also clearly full of shite, IMO.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:33 am to ThinePreparedAni
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Jesus
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The holy spirit refers to our collective consciousness. God is real and Jesus was an inspired prophet.
I've read what he has to say about the holy spirit, God and Jesus; but has HLI ever actually come out and said "yes, there is a one true God"? Like one being that is out there that created all?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:34 am to baybeefeetz
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It's enjoyable, but am I missing something? Does this guy ever use context clues to prove anything about what happened in the past?
TBD IMO
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:35 am to TigerNutwhack
So maybe I'm dumb, but please enlighten me about how a space elevator is going to solve all of our economic woes? Or for that matter what we would use said elevator for? Or what the frick is a space elevator in the first place?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:53 am to LSUfanNkaty
Lots of truth in the OP
I am telling you. The elites have been able to brainwash the masses. We see it in this very thread. People are more afraid of being called a conspiracy kook than actually seeking the truth.
I am telling you. The elites have been able to brainwash the masses. We see it in this very thread. People are more afraid of being called a conspiracy kook than actually seeking the truth.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:55 am to ThinePreparedAni
Thanks. I don't buy all of this, but there is some thought provoking stuff in this. I follow your thread updates at 30K feet.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:03 am to dcbl
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what does the evidence show...
are you familiar with the Nazca Lines? It's worth a google if you are not...
My opinion? The top of that mountain was a landing strip for an ancient airport
What about sand fused into a thin sheet of glass? That happens with a nuclear explosion - this has been found LINK ;*
I KNOW that the websites in the linked search (link is to a google search - no spam from me baw) are from conspiracy type websites, but that shite WAS found - we also have and ancient Indian city that people were found with radiation levels similar to what has been recorded in Japan - LINK
(more google search, more conspiracy websites, but again, this shite was found...)
those 2 things are probably what caused Oppenheimer to believe that nuclear wars were fought in antiquity
we also have H blocks that were used in South America that had to have been created with a diamond drill. The perfect 90 degree angles of the blocks on the great pyramid were also likely cut with a diamond drill
we found a fricking glider in one of the pyramids as well (not an actual airplane, but a glider that is capable of flight - do your own google on that)
batteries have been found in the middle east
ancient Indian texts talk about the effects of nuclear fallout AND provide an info on how to fly a Vimana - great reading - more google for you
finally - google the term OOPART
so, I KNOW that many will think I am batshit crazy - whatever
the evidence is indeed overwhelming that mankind had access to high technology
happy reading baw
In all seriousness.... everything you just said is 100 in my book, sir
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:04 am to ThinePreparedAni
Does Jaynes theorize this in The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind?
I put the book down out of boredom.
I put the book down out of boredom.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:29 am to Crow Pie
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there is strong evidence of a cataclysmic event about 11-12 thousand years ago
ok, this is fine. i'm happy to accept this as very possible without examination, just for the sake of argument & fun
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This event would have reset the population
also ok, but not evidence at all for any real civilization to speak of
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and is a main theory on how the Egyptian civilization arrived out of virtually nowhere
ok. it's fun to speculate about things, but what's the evidence for any kind of real civilization at all prior to the possible event? and what's so special about the ancient Egyptians technologically? is the point from which this whole theory jumps off into question-begging as evidence?
if so, that's fine too. trying to not be a dick to everyone here, because this kind of talk is admittedly fun. but i fail to see why i should believe that it's important, or believe that it should be taken seriously in the slightest
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:30 am to 90proofprofessional
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is it worth reading for any reason?
Some people think reading Aristotle, Socrates and the Bible are "worth" it. Others...meaningless blather...when the 'real world' is there to be indulged.
TPI...doing the Lord's work. Thanks.
I should respond re the Jesus stuff (for the record) but am time-stressed at the moment. I can posit solid philosophical argument supporting the Divinity of Christ. Of course, only "for them that have ears to hear"; like most of the stuff in this Link.
Like Arnold says..."I'll be back!". If the pancreatitis don't bump me into the next Parallel Universe.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:31 am to WW
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Does Jaynes theorize this in The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind?
I put the book down out of boredom.
Short answer: no
The book is a very hard read (very dense). I have not finished it either.
Jaynes concluded that man may not have been fully conscious...
HLI acknowledges that Jaynes understanding is not complete because he assumes orderly human development (instead of cataclysm and reboot)
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Jaynes uses governmental bicameralism as a metaphor to describe a mental state in which the experiences and memories of the right hemisphere of the brain are transmitted to the left hemisphere via auditory hallucinations. The metaphor is based on the idea of lateralization of brain function although each half of a normal human brain is constantly communicating with the other through the corpus callosum. The metaphor is not meant to imply that the two halves of the bicameral brain were "cut off" from each other but that the bicameral mind was experienced as a different, non-conscious mental schema wherein volition in the face of novel stimuli was mediated through a linguistic control mechanism and experienced as auditory verbal hallucination.
The bicameral mentality would be non-conscious in its inability to reason and articulate about mental contents through meta-reflection, reacting without explicitly realizing and without the meta-reflective ability to give an account of why one did so. The bicameral mind would thus lack metaconsciousness, autobiographical memory and the capacity for executive "ego functions" such as deliberate mind-wandering and conscious introspection of mental content. When bicamerality as a method of social control was no longer adaptive in complex civilizations, this mental model was replaced by the conscious mode of thought which, Jaynes argued, is grounded in the acquisition of metaphorical language learned by exposure to narrative practice.
According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state of mind would have experienced the world in a manner that has some similarities to that of a schizophrenic. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands and obey without question: one would not be at all conscious of one's own thought processes per se. Research into "command hallucinations" that often direct the behavior of those labeled schizophrenic, as well as other voice hearers, supports Jaynes's predictions.[2]
Jaynes built a case for this hypothesis that human brains existed in a bicameral state until as recently as 3000 years ago by citing evidence from many diverse sources including historical literature. He took an interdisciplinary approach, drawing data from many different fields.[3] Jaynes asserted that, until roughly the times written about in Homer's Iliad, humans did not generally have the self-awareness characteristic of consciousness as most people experience it today. Rather, the bicameral individual was guided by mental commands believed to be issued by external "gods" — commands which were recorded in ancient myths, legends and historical accounts. This is exemplified not only in the commands given to characters in ancient epics but also the very muses of Greek mythology which "sang" the poems: the ancients literally heard muses as the direct source of their music and poetry.
Regarding the bolded above, zoom out and think about how Facebook, TV, mass media have now replaced the "inner monologue" heard by our ancestors. How many people you know truly have the capacity and/or time to think critically about issues. Think about protestors and SJW mobilizing into action on the whim of a message/idea they have been provided. This behavior is literally crazy to those who really take the time to reflect on what is going on.
This is what HLI is referring to when he states the elites are manipulating consciousness. Our society is designed in a way to frown on introspective, ascendant human development (distracted society, consumerism, materialism, us vs them, etc...)
Divide and rule
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Divide and rule (or divide and conquer, from Latin divide et impera) in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. The concept refers to a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.[1]
Traiano Boccalini cites "divide et impera" in La bilancia politica[2] as a common principle in politics. The use of this technique is meant to empower the sovereign to control subjects, populations, or factions of different interests, who collectively might be able to oppose his rule. Machiavelli identifies a similar application to military strategy, advising in Book VI of The Art of War[3] (Dell'arte della guerra),[4] that a Captain should endeavor with every art to divide the forces of the enemy, either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause that he has to separate his forces, and, because of this, become weaker.
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Elements of this technique involve:
creating or encouraging divisions among the subjects to prevent alliances that could challenge the sovereign
aiding and promoting those who are willing to cooperate with the sovereign
fostering distrust and enmity between local rulers
encouraging meaningless expenditures that reduce the capability for political and military spending
Historically, this strategy was used in many different ways by empires seeking to expand their territories.
The concept is also mentioned as a strategy for market action in economics to get the most out of the players in a competitive market.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:52 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:32 am to RCDfan1950
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Of course, only "for them that have ears to hear"
what do you mean by this
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:33 am to RCDfan1950
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I should respond re the Jesus stuff (for the record) but am time-stressed at the moment. I can posit solid philosophical argument supporting the Divinity of Christ. Of course, only "for them that have ears to hear"; like most of the stuff in this Link.
Post it when you get the time
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:49 am to 90proofprofessional
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quote:Of course, only "for them that have ears to hear" what do you mean by this
Zero disrespect or condescension, 90, for anybody concerned. But the very essence of *Knowledge* is abstraction.
I understand and have taught art/painting classes; the manipulation of tone/color/hue/perspective/etc. to depict a three-dimensional image on a two-dimensional support. I really thought I could communicate my knowledge to anybody with a College Degree. I was wrong. Apparently (to me), the ability to perceive, understand and employ particular abstract manifestations of Knowledge exists to differing degrees in differing individuals. Therein, Jesus' statement re "them that have ears that hear and eyes that see". He was speaking to the above limitation.
That said, having a personal ability to perceive and employ particular Knowledge...in no way makes a person better, or worse. It is the fruits of one's employment of said Knowledge which determines whether such be good (advancing Greater Love/Unity)...or the Opposite 'Evil' (the inhibition of Greater Love/Unity).
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:57 am to RCDfan1950
ok, so you're not talking about the civilization thing; you're talking about the concept of God. and that's surely one of the many concepts op included
the great range of possible discussion from op's material makes much focused discussion ITT impossible
the thing i was talking about was a set of potentially very important claimed facts about the nature of human civilization, which if true should be supportable using evidence that requires little to no ability for abstraction
the great range of possible discussion from op's material makes much focused discussion ITT impossible
the thing i was talking about was a set of potentially very important claimed facts about the nature of human civilization, which if true should be supportable using evidence that requires little to no ability for abstraction
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:06 am to Big_Slim
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So maybe I'm dumb, but please enlighten me about how a space elevator is going to solve all of our economic woes? Or for that matter what we would use said elevator for? Or what the frick is a space elevator in the first place?
Right now, our biggest problem with getting more people and material out into space is the cost to launch stuff from earth. Space Elevator is basically a cheap way of getting material and humans into orbit, once it is built. There are several designs, the most popular is a ribbon or some kind of super strong material (think carbon nano tubes) extending from the equator out into space. Instead of spending $10,000 per kilogram of mass to get it from the surface of the earth to space, cost would conceivably be down in the hundreds if not less. You traverse the ribbon with some kind of crawler. We don't have the tech right now to do this, since no one has figured out how to produce carbon nano tubes longer than a few centimeters. Theoretically it's possible, but we still need to develop the materials to do it.
What HLI suggested was the Orbital Ring model. Think of it as a mag lev train circling the earth, and at certain points you have a ring around the train that stays stationary relative to the earth that also accelerates the train using magnets. From that point you hang your ribbon of material to the earth. Apparently this type of elevator can be much lower orbit than the traditional single ribbon space elevator, so a material like kevlar is strong enough to be used. We have the technology to build this. It's a massive engineering problem, but not a science problem.
HLI's scheme then is to set up a massive array of solar panels in space, and then transmit that power to earth to use and sell. I can't remember the exact dimensions he gave, but while huge it was well in the realm of human technological ability. That's the basis for his 0 taxes, %20 GDP growth, fully funded health care claims. I think those are pretty outlandish claims, but the actual idea of building solar arrays in space that stick with the earth is a relatively sound one that's been around for decades.
Obviously, all of those ideas have problems and issues that would have to be resolved. Security, cost, space debris, etc.
As for the other economic benefits of getting to space for cheaper, there's practically unlimited resources just floating out there, waiting to be exploited. If we can't get humans and materials out there cheaply, we'll end up sending small factories of robots that will then mine and build what they need. That's probably going to happen anyway, but humans will be stuck on earth mostly.
For me personally, I just want to be able to go to space some day, but in a relatively safe and cheap way. We're close to our limit with chemical rockets, so we need to find a new way to get out there.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:19 am to RCDfan1950
I appreciate your contribution here
good stuff - thx
good stuff - thx
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:26 am to ThinePreparedAni
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I should respond re the Jesus stuff (for the record) but am time-stressed at the moment. I can posit solid philosophical argument supporting the Divinity of Christ. Of course, only "for them that have ears to hear"; like most of the stuff in this Link.
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Post it when you get the time
YES! Please!
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:30 am to TigerNutwhack
Link to Netflix Documentary about Space Elevator - Skyline
In the documentary, there is a pretty powerful moment when a researcher is quoted as saying something along the lines that the person who figures out how to pull this off will be regarding as " The most important person in the history of humanity"
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IN 1979, ARTHUR C. CLARKE WROTE A NOVEL ABOUT AN ELEVATOR TO SPACE. THIS IS THE STORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO INTEND TO BUILD IT.
In the documentary, there is a pretty powerful moment when a researcher is quoted as saying something along the lines that the person who figures out how to pull this off will be regarding as " The most important person in the history of humanity"
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