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re: HHTM how did Trump do tonight in picking candidates? Still believe his influence is gone?

Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:03 am to
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:03 am to
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do you ever just stfu?

are you married? do you follow her around the house spouting off pseudo-intellectual contrarian bullshite at her all day?


Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:05 am to
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1 loss out of what… 77 candidates… is still impressive. Doesn’t matter. You would have a point if it was 85 percent. Even 90 percent. But a 99 percentage?
Fair enough.

Maybe a better yardstick would be to look at close races … say those decided by five points or less. In those races, the the Trump candidate win by mor (or by less) than he was already leading at the time of the endorsement?

I am certainly not saying that Trump is without influence. I am just saying that your single data points does not establish the extent of that influence.

if a Trump-endorsed candidate won by 10 points but was leading by 25 prior of the endorsement, that would tend to negate the “influence“ argument. On the other hand, if a Trump-endorsed candidate won by 25 points, when he was leading by only 15 points prior tothe endorsement, that would show a great deal of influence.

I do not know that we have that data yet, but I am sure someone will analyze it in the coming weeks.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 8:07 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:06 am to
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are you married?


his wife's name is BEN. BEn dover.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39447 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:07 am to
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Maybe a better yardstick would be to look at close races …

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:10 am to
Am I disturbing your little pep rally with a suggestion that we examine this issue objectively?

Apologies.

Carry on.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:10 am to
suggest away. no one gaf
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15410 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:10 am to
I love how you ignore me when I’m right.

quote:

The first-time candidate’s poll numbers jumped by 12 percentage points pushing him ahead of the previous frontrunner, former Ohio treasurer Josh Mandel, according to a Fox News poll released last week. Trump’s late endorsement came only three weeks before the end of the primary and after several candidates jockeyed for the former president’s endorsement and fought for support among his base.


Trump gave JD Vance a 12 Pt bump

There were 6 people in the Ohio Race for Portman’s seat. Vance is going to win that race and he’s only 37. Trump’s stamp is going to stay on the USSenate for a long arse time.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 8:13 am
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39447 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:16 am to
His entire schtick it to give these soft objections to everything considered a net-positive to conservatives. He'll bend over backward and kiss the back of his own nuts to try and make his agenda-driven arguments fit a logical pattern.

The best part is; he sincerely thinks he's too smart for anyone to realize what he's doing. He thinks he effectively plays the role of "centrist voice of reason", when in reality he's just another Displaced Buckeye knockoff... who was a JuiceTerry knockoff... who was an ASURob knockoff...
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:20 am to
Wednesday, I did not ignore you. Your first post did not mention the 12-point bump. In only 12 minutes, I just did not have time to research the Vance polling, as I was responding to someone else. It was on my “to do” list.

Yes, that bump is impressive.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 8:26 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:22 am to
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give these soft objections to everything considered a net-positive to conservatives
No, I highlight soft reasoning and unjustified exuberance. Maybe those others did the same.

The implication that a Trump endorsement is some sort of magic wand is the MAGA equivalent of all the left wing nut jobs who point to the raw data point that Black men are disproportionately killed by the police. As everyone here knows and will argue, that data point obviously overlooks a lot of other important facts About underlying numbers of persons who interact with the police and other underlying data points regarding resisting arrest.

in that situation, everyone in this thread will argue (correctly) that an objective observer simply must look at those additional data points. But when looking at Trump endorsements, we should only look at the superficial data.

And you do not even see the inconsistency. Hell, you will not even acknowledge it when it is outlined for you.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 9:12 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118760 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:25 am to
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He endorses candidates who are already in the lead (for the most part)

His hand picked guy in PA is barely hanging on, his hand picked guy in idaho is getting destroyed.

Tonight was a mixed bag tbh




Now do McConnell. How does his endorsement record stand up to Trump's?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39447 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:26 am to
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AggieHank86


Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15410 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:27 am to
Vance would not have won his primary without the endorsement.

If Oz pulls it off in PA - same.

NC - same.

Trump’s base is interested in remaking the Republican Party and instilling an America First agenda. Distaste for Trump aside, his policies are popular and people are disgusted by their politicians prioritizing Ukraine over them.

Trump’s endorsement works in the primaries bc republicans want these kind of policies enacted. It remains to be seen about how it will work in the general- but all signs point to a red wave in November- filled with candidates Trump out there.

Now if we could only get rid of McCarthy, things would be grand.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:28 am to
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Displaced Buckeye knockoff.


that clown did not bring one ounce of perspective, rationality or objectivity here.

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who was a JuiceTerry knockoff


another idiot who did not have a shred of critical thinking skills. he quit and bailed like cuckeye when his shtick wore off.

quote:

who was an ASURob knockoff...




same with this clown. funny they all bailed eh? alters?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118760 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:31 am to
A Trump endorsement is worth a 10-20% bump in GOP primaries.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39447 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:37 am to
They all did the exact same thing. Same as ProggyHank.

Masquerade as a "true, intellectual conservative", while spouting leftist scat all over the board with the objective of gaslighting conservatives to convince them that the party has changed and they've been left behind.

He's a Micro-digital version of the Lincoln Project. He's our own little Ana Navarro.
Posted by TrussvilleTide
The Endless Void
Member since Sep 2021
4069 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:55 am to
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He endorses candidates who are already in the lead (for the most part)


I think this is somewhat true, but discounts the obvious bump candidates get when he endorses them. In closer races he is clearly the difference maker.
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5159 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:06 am to
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Most people who aren't immature don't let someone else decide their vote. they do their hw, their research, and make their own choice


I wish this were the case, but you’re either naïve or a damn fool if you truly believe this. Most people vote blindly with no real knowledge of the candidates and are led like cows to slaughter by msm or a “that’s what mamma and dem do” mentality. There’s very little conscious and independent decisions being made at the polls and it shows.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164127 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:10 am to
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You guys need to look up something called the post hoc fallacy.

70% of pennsylvania republicans voting for someone other than trump's pick

Most people who aren't immature don't let someone else decide their vote. they do their hw, their research, and make their own choice

Same homo point you and the establishment made in early 2016 when Trump was winning primaries with 35% of the vote.

“THAT’S HIS CEILING. We just need everyone to drop out so it’ll be Trump vs Jeb! or Kasich so 65% will vote for Jeb! or Kasich!!!!”

Then people started dropping out and Trump’s percentage grew. Then 95% of Republicans voted for Trump in the general election.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105405 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:11 am to



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