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re: Hey SFP. We aren't giving up on the life issue, so stop harping on it
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:11 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:11 pm to dgnx6
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SFP knows the game.
He hates black people, he doesn’t care they are being aborted
This thread is about policy and elections, not my personal preferences
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And a purple state punishing Herschel Walker for his pro-life stance?
Is it his pro life stance or being backed by Trump?
Can’t keep up anymore with the excuses from the Jorgensen and West voters.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:13 pm to dgnx6
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it his pro life stance or being backed by Trump?
Why does it have to be only one?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You have to win purple areas. GA (now), VA, NC, PA, WI, MI, AZ, NV, etc. You're cherry picking and ignoring all the data.
I picked the 4 major candidates in this cycle.
You pick the candidates. Who is the best example of someone who foolishly took a hard stance on abortion and paid the price? Tell me specifically who you are referencing.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why does it have to be only one?
The Cultists don't have the ability to consider interrelationships.
It's all or nothing. One way or the other. Black or white.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:27 pm to moneyg
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Who is the best example of someone who foolishly took a hard stance on abortion and paid the price?
Tim Michels.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
ok, well since you want to just keep repeating the same non-answers because you're too stupid and afraid to address the actual topics, i'll just keep repeating the actual topics.
Are you ready to explain how Marco Rubio win by a MUCH larger margin than he did 6 years ago, running against a MUCH better opponent, shortly after co-sponsoring National abortion ban legislation, when republicans would vote for democrats when it came to protecting abortion on a national level, according to you?
Are you ready to explain how greg abbott won by the same margin he did 4 years ago, against a MUCH more well known and MUCH better funded candidate, after multiple hundreds of thousands of democrat voters moved to texas since the last election, and after he signed an anti-abortion bill?
Or no, still afraid to talk about those?
Are you ready to talk about why the voters of kentucky comfortably reject an abortion ban and re-elected Rand Paul, a republican that is “100% pro-life, believes life begins at conception, and will always support legislation that would end abortion” by a 23 point margin over Charles booker, a democrat that has promised to be the vote that codified abortion if he was elected, after only electing Paul by a 15 point margin 6 years ago?
Or no, still too stupid to talk about that?
Are you ready to talk about that purple state re-electing Brian Kemp by 7.5 points in 2022 after only 1.5 points in 2018 against the exact same candidate, after Kemp signed an "extreme" abortion ban bill just a few months before the 2022 election, and how that coincides with walker being punished for his pro-life stance?
And as an aside, are you ready to talk about the record voter turnout in georgia after their "anit-dem" voting laws were passed?
Or no, still too stupid to attempt to talk about those things?
Are you ready to talk about the fact that Texas has the highest or second highest population of suburban white women in the country, a group you claim can’t be won with anti-abortion stances?
Or are you still too afraid to discuss that?
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2 red states of no note for this discussion
Are you ready to explain how Marco Rubio win by a MUCH larger margin than he did 6 years ago, running against a MUCH better opponent, shortly after co-sponsoring National abortion ban legislation, when republicans would vote for democrats when it came to protecting abortion on a national level, according to you?
Are you ready to explain how greg abbott won by the same margin he did 4 years ago, against a MUCH more well known and MUCH better funded candidate, after multiple hundreds of thousands of democrat voters moved to texas since the last election, and after he signed an anti-abortion bill?
Or no, still afraid to talk about those?
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A red state that rejected an abortion ban last week
Are you ready to talk about why the voters of kentucky comfortably reject an abortion ban and re-elected Rand Paul, a republican that is “100% pro-life, believes life begins at conception, and will always support legislation that would end abortion” by a 23 point margin over Charles booker, a democrat that has promised to be the vote that codified abortion if he was elected, after only electing Paul by a 15 point margin 6 years ago?
Or no, still too stupid to talk about that?
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And a purple state punishing Herschel Walker for his pro-life stance?
Are you ready to talk about that purple state re-electing Brian Kemp by 7.5 points in 2022 after only 1.5 points in 2018 against the exact same candidate, after Kemp signed an "extreme" abortion ban bill just a few months before the 2022 election, and how that coincides with walker being punished for his pro-life stance?
And as an aside, are you ready to talk about the record voter turnout in georgia after their "anit-dem" voting laws were passed?
Or no, still too stupid to attempt to talk about those things?
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You can run it up in red states all you want.
Are you ready to talk about the fact that Texas has the highest or second highest population of suburban white women in the country, a group you claim can’t be won with anti-abortion stances?
Or are you still too afraid to discuss that?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. This is a straw man.
Not really. A straw man is based in a misrepresentation of the other persons argument. You stated that fighting against abortion only helps the dems on the road to power which will result in more abortions hypothetically. Your solution is to not fight the abortion issue which will of course lead to more abortions. Are you saying that if the GOP ignores the abortion issue altogether, it will somehow result in less abortions over time? At best, the GOP gains power, the left brings abortion back up at a later election cycle and you have to address it then anyway. Explain how I misrepresented your comments.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:52 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Are you ready to explain how Marco Rubio win by a MUCH larger margin than he did 6 years ago, running against a MUCH better opponent, shortly after co-sponsoring National abortion ban legislation, when republicans would vote for democrats when it came to protecting abortion on a national level, according to you?
a. Red state
b. Red wave thanks to RDS
c. Anti-DEM voting laws
d. Incumbency bias
But, again, this doesn't matter. Florida is red. Texas is red. It would take a disaster to lose either.
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Are you ready to explain how greg abbott won by the same margin he did 4 years ago,
Red state. Again, who gives a shite?
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Are you ready to talk about why the voters of kentucky comfortably reject an abortion ban and re-elected Rand Paul,
Sure.
They rejected extreme abortion laws.
They supported the incumbent.
This is not a binary, single issue paradigm that you're trying to make it.
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Are you ready to talk about that purple state re-electing Brian Kemp by 7.5 points in 2022 after only 1.5 points in 2018 against the exact same candidate, after Kemp signed an "extreme" abortion ban bill just a few months before the 2022 election, and how that coincides with walker being punished for his pro-life stance?
Again. He's an incumbent. Incumbency bias is strong.
Walker is not.
This is just like KY. Voters are much more flexible than y'all imagine, b/c you're paralyzed with in/out group biases.
That's how suburban women, who are historically GOP voters, will vote DEM if abortion is a hot topic. There's a lot more flexibility in the electorate than you understand or want to believe.
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Are you ready to talk about the fact that Texas has the highest or second highest population of suburban white women in the country, a group you claim can’t be won with anti-abortion stances?
Cool, those specific ones may not have cared about abortion as much as the ones you needed to not care about abortion.
Means nothing.
How are you going to win national elections by only winning safe-red states?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:56 pm to JiminyCricket
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You stated that fighting against abortion only helps the dems on the road to power
See that's the straw man. I didn't say that.
I said if you make abortion your defining single issue AND won't vote for a moderate Republican with less extreme (but still moderate) positions on abortion, you're giving the election to DEMs.
You can fight abortion without it being an all or nothing policy choice. The extreme right has made abortion that all or nothing policy choice. "Either you support total bans or I won't vote". It's martyrdom, at that point, and that martyrdom just increases Leftism, which will ultimately increase abortions.
So do you want fewer abortions or a symbolic position that will increase abortions? That seems to be your choice.
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Are you saying that if the GOP ignores the abortion issue altogether, it will somehow result in less abortions over time?
If only they could avoid it.
They just need more moderate positions, like bans after 15-20 weeks. That's very palatable for the majority of the country and likely will get those moderate-GOP voters back. Basically claw everything back to pre-Dobbs and it's much better for Republicans.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:03 pm to burger bearcat
;)
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
so the same non-answers you've been giving, with the added bonus of attempting to exclude the specific things you're too afraid and too stupid to respond to. ok, i'll keep reposting the same topics then.
Are you ready to explain how Marco Rubio win by a MUCH larger margin than he did 6 years ago, running against a MUCH better opponent, shortly after co-sponsoring National abortion ban legislation, when republicans would vote for democrats when it came to protecting abortion on a national level, according to you?
Or no, still too stupid to talk about that?
Are you ready to explain how greg abbott won by the same margin he did 4 years ago, against a MUCH more well known and MUCH better funded candidate, after multiple hundreds of thousands of democrat voters moved to texas since the last election, and after he signed an anti-abortion bill?
Or no, still afraid to talk about that, to the degree you won't even include the entire quote in your response?
Are you ready to talk about why the voters of kentucky comfortably reject an abortion ban and re-elected Rand Paul, a republican that is “100% pro-life, believes life begins at conception, and will always support legislation that would end abortion” by a 23 point margin over Charles booker, a democrat that has promised to be the vote that codified abortion if he was elected, after only electing Paul by a 15 point margin 6 years ago?
Or no, still afraid to talk about that, to the degree you won't even include the entire quote in your response?
You claiming other people are trying to make this a single issue paradigm after bleeding all over this board about abortion for almost 6 days now will never not be funny.
Are you ready to talk about that purple state re-electing Brian Kemp by 7.5 points in 2022 after only 1.5 points in 2018 against the exact same candidate, after Kemp signed an "extreme" abortion ban bill just a few months before the 2022 election, and how that coincides with walker being punished for his pro-life stance?
And as an aside, are you ready to talk about the record voter turnout in georgia after their "anit-dem" voting laws were passed?
Or no, still too stupid to attempt to talk about those things?
If only someone had the foresight to make this statement that you completely avoided responding to in a different thread:
"why were these conservative states able to understand and express the the need to keep abortion available without also voting for record inflation, out of control crime, lockdowns and mandates, etc. while blue state voters either are not capable of that or actually support those things?"
The person that lumps "republicans" "dems" "suburban white women" etc. as groups of robots that are all pre-programmed to behave a certain way typing this statement is the epitome of irony.
the jokes write themselves at this point.
That's not what this thread is about. Start your own thread if you want to talk about that.
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a. Red state b. Red wave thanks to RDS c. Anti-DEM voting laws d. Incumbency bias
Are you ready to explain how Marco Rubio win by a MUCH larger margin than he did 6 years ago, running against a MUCH better opponent, shortly after co-sponsoring National abortion ban legislation, when republicans would vote for democrats when it came to protecting abortion on a national level, according to you?
Or no, still too stupid to talk about that?
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Red state. Again, who gives a shite?
Are you ready to explain how greg abbott won by the same margin he did 4 years ago, against a MUCH more well known and MUCH better funded candidate, after multiple hundreds of thousands of democrat voters moved to texas since the last election, and after he signed an anti-abortion bill?
Or no, still afraid to talk about that, to the degree you won't even include the entire quote in your response?
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Sure. They rejected extreme abortion laws. They supported the incumbent.
Are you ready to talk about why the voters of kentucky comfortably reject an abortion ban and re-elected Rand Paul, a republican that is “100% pro-life, believes life begins at conception, and will always support legislation that would end abortion” by a 23 point margin over Charles booker, a democrat that has promised to be the vote that codified abortion if he was elected, after only electing Paul by a 15 point margin 6 years ago?
Or no, still afraid to talk about that, to the degree you won't even include the entire quote in your response?
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This is not a binary, single issue paradigm that you're trying to make it.
You claiming other people are trying to make this a single issue paradigm after bleeding all over this board about abortion for almost 6 days now will never not be funny.
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Again. He's an incumbent. Incumbency bias is strong. Walker is not.
Are you ready to talk about that purple state re-electing Brian Kemp by 7.5 points in 2022 after only 1.5 points in 2018 against the exact same candidate, after Kemp signed an "extreme" abortion ban bill just a few months before the 2022 election, and how that coincides with walker being punished for his pro-life stance?
And as an aside, are you ready to talk about the record voter turnout in georgia after their "anit-dem" voting laws were passed?
Or no, still too stupid to attempt to talk about those things?
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This is just like KY.
If only someone had the foresight to make this statement that you completely avoided responding to in a different thread:
"why were these conservative states able to understand and express the the need to keep abortion available without also voting for record inflation, out of control crime, lockdowns and mandates, etc. while blue state voters either are not capable of that or actually support those things?"
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Voters are much more flexible than y'all imagine, b/c you're paralyzed with in/out group biases.
The person that lumps "republicans" "dems" "suburban white women" etc. as groups of robots that are all pre-programmed to behave a certain way typing this statement is the epitome of irony.
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That's how suburban women, who are historically GOP voters, will vote DEM if abortion is a hot topic.
Cool, those specific ones may not have cared about abortion
the jokes write themselves at this point. quote:
How are you going to win national elections by only winning safe-red states?
That's not what this thread is about. Start your own thread if you want to talk about that.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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See that's the straw man. I didn't say that. I said if you make abortion your defining single issue AND won't vote for a moderate Republican with less extreme (but still moderate) positions on abortion, you're giving the election to DEMs.
But you have been beating the drum that abortion is in your words “a losing issue” or is “a debate that’s been lost.”
There’s a difference between what I quoted at the top and the all or nothing statements you’ve posted since last Tuesday.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m intrigued by the specifics of these Anti-dem voting laws you referenced.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a. Red state
That Obama won twice. DeSantis barely won just 4 years ago. Of all the bullshite you peddle this is the easiest to dispense with.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:24 pm to Flats
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That Obama won twice. DeSantis barely won just 4 years ago. Of all the bullshite you peddle this is the easiest to dispense with.
But Pennsylvania, a state that has been red in exactly 2 presidential elections since Reagan, is decidedly purple
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:31 pm to Powerman
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I certainly wouldn't expect a pro life person to abandon their stance
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vast majority of Americans support at least some abortion rights
Sooo, maybe that's why it should be a state's decision and not Federal. An anti-murdering baby stance is a hill I'm willing to die on. If it crashes the whole conservative party then the party was never conservative to begin with. BirminghamTide (or whatever the frick his name is) thread is a perfect example of all the pussified ways we need to kneel down to progressives and meanwhile not getting a SINGLE issue in our favor. The OmniBus is a perfect example of a bipartisan effort that was shoved up our asses.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:37 pm to burger bearcat
Keep it up, and Republicans will keep losing. If that's what you're after, fine, but that's what's going to happen.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:43 pm to Flats
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That Obama won twice.
Not by much.
But Trump also won it twice. So did Dubya and H. Dubya.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:48 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
If you could win elections by killing Jews I would be on the losing end of that too.
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