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re: Here's a question for the pro-lock down crowd

Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by Sandperson
B-Ham, AL
Member since May 2005
4232 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:28 pm to
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Then it spreads again. Nature has a way of cutting the wheat from the chaff. This one of them.


If you are correct i hope you are chaff.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:28 pm to
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the total death rate in the US is well below 1% when you account for all the positives who weren't tested


That's nice for statistics. I'm at a significantly higher risk than almost every one of those people.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25896 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:29 pm to
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For the record I down voted. This is exactly why you have a rainy day account. It's also why you go ahead and pay down debt when you can even though your interest rates low.


Paying down debt don’t put dinner on the table. I agree on the saving but debt can be forgiven/forgotten. Hoard cash. I don’t have much debt but frick those I do if I lose my job. They can get in line.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:29 pm to
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For the record I down voted. This is exactly why you have a rainy day account. It's also why you go ahead and pay down debt when you can even though your interest rates low.
Awesome.

And, I'm gonna be fine thru this.

Alas, we all know I'm not everyone.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:30 pm to
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My perspective is the lockdown is a sunk cost. It's actually been a sunk cost for a few weeks now. Had we done it then, we might be on the other side of it like S. Korea is


This is exactly my point. We've already went down the road, there's no sense in doing it half arse and accomplishing nothing. It's like cutting corners and fricking the job up and having to go back and redo it.

We've already established what the threshold of cases and deaths are to shutting stuff down so....

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We will have to lockdown eventually, let's get it over with
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:32 pm to
Personal outlook also is influenced by your profession and capability of income during a lockdown. Tech industry for example will only come out of this stronger.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:33 pm to
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longwayfromLA
Based on your graph, jumping from case isolation and house quarantine to fricking bankrupt millions of people is like 30ish percent.

So yeah.

Completely asinine.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:34 pm to
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It isn't a sub 1% risk.
Um, you probably need to learn risk. Cause yeah, it is.

You see, 100% of the people aren't going to catch it. Mortality rate is for those who catch it. If I have to do that math for you, we probably aren't on an equal enough footing to go further.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:35 pm to
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That's nice for statistics. I'm at a significantly higher risk than almost every one of those people.
What rate do you think you're at?

Let's say 50%. OK

Now tell me your odds of getting it AT ALL.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125530 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:37 pm to
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Based on your graph, jumping from case isolation and house quarantine to fricking bankrupt millions of people is like 30ish percent. So yeah. Completely asinine.


When I realized this paper was driving everyone’s reactions, I just wanted to make sure we know the authors by name.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:38 pm to
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Um, you probably need to learn risk. Cause yeah, it is.

You see, 100% of the people aren't going to catch it. Mortality rate is for those who catch it. If I have to do that math for you, we probably aren't on an equal enough footing to go further.


The numbers say it's 1.4%.

That math isn't difficult.

That's reality, not your idiotic scenario.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:40 pm to
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What rate do you think you're at?

Let's say 50%. OK


Let's say it's 25%. That doesn't change a thing.

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Now tell me your odds of getting it AT ALL.


In your scenario, it's 0%.

Sign me up.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:40 pm to
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The numbers say it's 1.4%.
That's not your personal risk idiot.

1.4%, even if the correct mortality rate, is the rate for those who will CATCH IT.

Not everyone will catch it. Nowhere close to everyone will catch it.

So, the risk of dying from coronavirus isn't 1.4% or anything close

Do I have to really walk you thru that? Seriously?
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:43 pm to
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That's not your personal risk idiot.

1.4%, even if the correct mortality rate, is the rate for those who will CATCH IT.

Not everyone will catch it. Nowhere close to everyone will catch it.

So, the risk of dying from coronavirus isn't 1.4% or anything close

Do I have to really walk you thru that? Seriously?


Jesus fricking Christ, son.

You either catch it or you don't. You say I can give up my money and have a 100% chance of survival.

I say if I catch it, I'm at a higher risk of death than most.

TLDR:
You're a fricking moron.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:43 pm to
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But...what the hell do i know.


Probably not a whole lot.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:43 pm to
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that won't do shite though


Why not?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:45 pm to
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Jesus fricking Christ, son. You either catch it or you don't. You say I can give up my money and have a 100% chance of survival. I say if I catch it, I'm at a higher risk of death than most. TLDR: You're a fricking moron.
LOL

No. You just fricking suck at assessing risk. You'd ruin yourself for life...……..to avoid a LOW risk that hell, you have SOME control over avoiding all by yourself!

The very definition of stupidity in humans who can't assess risk.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18503 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:45 pm to
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I’m a healthy female in my early 30s.


Well hey.

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What’s a “solid percentage”?


Most countries have come in between 8%-18% of known cases needing medical attention.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:46 pm to
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Why not?

Probably because you can't guarantee that you come out of the 14 days with zero carriers and, if you even have a couple hundred nationwide who caught it even during the theoretical lock down, you're right back to square 1
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:46 pm to
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Most countries have come in between 8%-18% of known cases needing medical attention.
The VERY key work in that sentence is "known"
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