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re: Herd Immunity, Rush discusses theory that California has low rate because

Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:13 pm to
My wife is convinced everyone in our family had it in late December/early January. Wants us all to get antibody tested when this is all done.
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
46110 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:16 pm to
Where I work, I come into contact with so many people from so many places that I wouldn't be surprised if I was exposed. I would like to get the antibody test strictly out of curiosity.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:06 pm to
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If I had a dollar for every time someone has said this about their sniffle


It may very well be that most of the people claiming they think they had it in Dec/Jan/Feb are mistaken and most just had really bad colds with unusually rough respiratory symptoms but I'm of the mindset that many of those cases were in fact Covid-19

I can't speak for others but I had a "cold" the first week of February that was unlike any other I've ever had in the past. Mine started with a raw sore throat like every other cold virus I've ever had. Then about a 101 fever followed by an unusually strong and very forceful dry unproductive cough along with aches and a very tight pressing feeling throughout my chest. I was worn out and didn't feel like getting out of bed for nearly 3 days.

The most unusual symptoms however were the lack of any of the normal nasal and chest congestion or phlem that I've never been unable to hock up in large amounts with any other bout of the cold or the flu I've ever had. That and an aggressive cough so bad I gagged several times to the point of almost throwing up and instead dry heaving several times leaving me short of breath. I even wheezed a few nights during the height of my symptoms which is something I've never experienced previously with any other cold or flu virus I've ever had.

My fever, aches, lethargy, chest tightness, wheezing, and the little bit of nasal congestion I had slowly went away after about a week of symptoms but it took another couple of weeks for the strong, dry, unproductive cough to finally subside.

My symptoms were very similar to most of the symptoms most associated with the majority of mild cases of Covid-19. However, I could see where even my symptoms which weren't overly severe could have been much more dangerous to someone with serious respiratory disease like COPD or asthma, cardiovascular disease or really high blood pressure, or someone who is obese or diabetic.


I'm in good health and what I had kicked me in the arse to the point where I was concerned at the time that I may have had an extremely serious underlying illness like cancer for example.

In fact, I scheduled my annual check up with my primary doctor the very next week and got a comprehensive health screening with full blood tests to check for anything and everything as a precaution. The tests thankfully came back ok. Unfortunately, they could not and therefore were not checking the antibodies of patients for Covid-19 back then so there was no way to know if I had just recovered from it.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:22 am to
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I’m a boomer who could kick your arse, you miserable cretin


Ok boomer.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170703 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:26 am to
He's so pathetic
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11271 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:30 am to
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Or maybe because they put a shelter in place early on compared to other states




How long before NY do you think California enacted their shelter in place? Hint, it's not long enough to make a difference this large.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:51 am to
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Has to be fitness and diet



Huge factor. According to emergency room docs here in south Louisiana 90% of the patients on ventilators are +60 and + 300 pounds.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:53 am to
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Lurker living in Northern California, theres no secret. The entire state started enacting lockdown procedures earlier than almost anyone.


What date?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170703 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:57 am to
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Huge factor. According to emergency room docs here in south Louisiana 90% of the patients on ventilators are +60 and + 300 pounds.



Seems like a pretty high %

300 lbs is well beyond morbid obesity for most people
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14977 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 6:13 am to
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I can't speak for others but I had a "cold" the first week of February that was unlike any other I've ever had in the past. Mine started with a raw sore throat like every other cold virus I've ever had. Then about a 101 fever followed by an unusually strong and very forceful dry unproductive cough along with aches and a very tight pressing feeling throughout my chest. I was worn out and didn't feel like getting out of bed for nearly 3 days.

The most unusual symptoms however were the lack of any of the normal nasal and chest congestion or phlem that I've never been unable to hock up in large amounts with any other bout of the cold or the flu I've ever had. That and an aggressive cough so bad I gagged several times to the point of almost throwing up and instead dry heaving several times leaving me short of breath. I even wheezed a few nights during the height of my symptoms which is something I've never experienced previously with any other cold or flu virus I've ever had.


All of your symptoms seem to meet the profile I've read about.

What about cause and origin? I assume you were not able to determine whether you were in contact with someone who was later diagnosed given the timeframe.

Do you live in or had you traveled to a high risk area in the 3-5 days preceding the onset of your symptoms?
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:46 am to
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Did you live in or had you traveled to a high risk area in the 3-5 days preceding the onset of your symptoms?


Not really unless New Orleans could in hindsight be considered a high risk area at that time. I was both in NOLA and also just happened to have attended a large Mardi Gras ball in Mobile in about a 10 day period leading up to the start of my symptoms. started. I live in Mobile btw.

I also failed to mention another very important factor I should have mentioned earlier that could explain my case. My girlfriend's young grandson who lives with her had very strange symptoms for several days which caused him to miss nearly two full weeks of school back in mid January. He had up to a 104 degree fever for days and she took him to the doctor four times and he tested negative for the flu every time and none of the doctors could tell her what was wrong with him. He had a high fever, bad dry cough that produced small amounts of completely clear "phlem" instead of the darker sputum usually associated with a sinus infection for example. The weirdest and worst symptom he complained about other than the forceful cough and high fever was that his eyes were hurting him. I experienced the same odd eye and head pain several years ago when I had nearly a 105 degree fever resulting from a nasty bout with strep throat. Bgw, he also tested negative for step throat.

These strange intense symptoms her grandson had lasted for roughly two weeks thru much of January. None of the doctors testing him had a clue what kind of virus he had. He eventually got over it with a prescription as well as typical over the counter cold/flu medications. However, they never did determine what he had despite several flu tests and it was worrying my girlfriend because of the death of a young boy a couple of years ago in her area (Daphne area) that died of pneumonia related complications from the flu. She was afraid her grandson was showing early signs of pneumonia which was checked for as well by the doctors and thankfully ruled out.

I was at her house a lot at the time her grandson was sick so there's a very good chance I got whatever virus he had. My girlfriend who is 54 and is extremely healthy and is in amazing physical shape for her age (and yes I do have pics...lol) and never ever gets sick developed a very mild fever without any other significant symptoms for a couple of days as well so both of us caught whatever virus her grandson had.

Furthermore, my girlfriend's daughter who is a registered nurse but not directly on the front lines has had some limited experience seeing a number of patients coming into the hospital where she works throughout January and February with some making multiple visits complaining of significant upper respiratory symptoms that were flu like in nature but repeatedly tested negative for the flu. She is convinced (and she would know better than most of us) that both her nephew's (the aforementioned grandson of my girlfriend) symptoms and my symptoms were likely due to the Covid-19 virus. She said one patient in particular was hospitalized at her hospital multiple times from late December thru early February with serious upper respiratory flu like symptoms despite the patient testing negative for the flu every time.

I realize all of that is anecdotal evidence that Covid-19 has been affecting people in the Mobile/Daphne/Fairhope area since as far back as Christmas but it does seem highly suspicious that so many people experiencing very similar upper respiratory flu like symptoms with nearly 100% testing negative for the flu could all be the result of a mysterious "cold virus". Such intense upper respiratory symptoms with intense coughs that produce little to no nasal or chest congestion are almost unheard of with any of the cold viruses. It's also interesting to note that the nurse who tested me told me that almost everyone she had seen had similar symptoms to mine and all tested negative for both the flu and strep. She and the other nurses were giving everyone a steroid shot and a Z-pac as treatment.

Again, it's at best anecdotal evidence and impossible to know for sure if Covid-19 was the culprit in all or most of these mysterious "colds" but without a test for this virus existing at that time there was no way to confirm it either way.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 10:56 am
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