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re: Helicopter crash update

Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:46 pm to
It was on the cockpit voice recorder.

It's what Maograth is missing.
Posted by HeadCall
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:46 pm to
How do they know? I was under the impression the Blackhawk didn’t have a cockpit voice recorder.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:49 pm to
Incorrect the Blackhawk has a CVR
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

It was on the cockpit voice recorder.

It's what Maograth is missing.
The cockpit voice recorder of the Blackhawk) has never been released and the reporters of the NY Times article haven't listened to it.

Supposedly the families of those on the jet have heard the jet's CVR (the first week), but haven't gotten the Blackhawk's.
Posted by bayou2
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:53 pm to


... something was going on, an undercurrent, during December and January. It was not just about a new regime, but something else.
That woman pilot was recruited from the get-go, not normal for black hawk. That 3rd passenger could have been a handler, to make sure procedure was followed. It happens, you just do not see it happening.
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

Either way flying visual separation Evans made the right call
So you are saying Evans had the jet in sight? Because that is what he said and I am pretty sure he didn't.
quote:

Would have been the chopper black box.

I agree. But they aren't telling us any response or what was said before. Either way, the reporters didn't listen to it, they are reporting from a "source".
quote:

Lobach didn't listen.

She should not have been at the controls that night.
Maybe, maybe not. Would be awfully nice to hear the cockpit recording to confirm.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

Asra Hussain


One of my friend’s relative by marriage. Sad stuff.
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 9:01 pm
Posted by bayou2
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:58 pm to



... this may be one reason the Epstein files have not been released ...


Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:05 pm to
That’s some conspiracy theory stuff.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:09 pm to
Here's some more theory stuff. With CVR transcript.

LINK
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:18 pm to
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Maybe, maybe not. Would be awfully nice to hear the cockpit recording to confirm.

So when it gets released and like always the NYT had an accurate source.


You are going to agree she was not competent for night flying in DC, and that we need to investigate who pushed her into that unit, killing over 60 people?

Eta jbird already provided the release.
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:25 pm to
I still think in the final report we will hear about mismatched altimeters or incorrect altimeter setting.
Not suggesting that is causal but merely a contributing factor.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:31 pm to
You need tell a woman to do the opposite of what is needed. Tell wife go right, bitch will always go left
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:33 pm to
So it was in the NTSB briefing. Not sure if they mentioned it live, but put it in the printout. Again, no quotes and only the certification pilot saying something to the effect that they believed the ATC wanted them to turn left. Too late and no report on any following communication. Not a directive.

ETA: ty for the link.
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:34 pm to
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Which based on some posts I saw, when she was identified, was the minimum number of hours needed graduate Blackhawk pilot training is 500 hours.



PAT25
The flight crew of PAT25 consisted of an instructor pilot (IP), pilot, and a crew chief. According
to information provided by the US Army, both pilots were current and qualified in the accident
helicopter. The IP held the rank of Chief Warrant Officer 2 and had accumulated about 968
total hours of flight experience, of which about 300 hours were in the accident helicopter make
and model. The pilot held the rank of Captain and had accumulated about 450 total hours of
flight experience, of which about 326 hours were in the accident helicopter make and model.
The crew chief held the rank of Staff Sargeant and had accumulated about 1,149 total flight
hours, all of which was in UH-60 helicopters.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:36 pm to
You will never hear both CVRs, I highly doubt any family members were allowed to listen to the CJ's.

Posted by Narax
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

I still think in the final report we will hear about mismatched altimeters or incorrect altimeter setting.
Not suggesting that is causal but merely a contributing factor.

Agreed, it was an incredibly dangerous route that had been previously flown by elite pilots for years successfully.

The altimeter mismatch may have forced them into the visual separation the chopper requested.

But the WO correctly assessed the visual route.

What he failed to do was realize that his inexperienced pilot was not up to the task.
He had only a couple seconds to realize that she was non responsible.

It wasn't enough.

We do know she got all kinds of boosts that a normal pilot with her record would not have gotten.

We really need to find out who put her there, who held her name back, who her partner was, and who scrubbed her profile.
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 9:43 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:43 pm to
I don't know about elite pilots.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:45 pm to
My favorite story about a female pilot was told to me by a friend and coworker.

He was a captain on a regional jet with a younger female first officer. They had a navigation failure with their ILS equipment and had to do two missed approaches in low ceiling weather and he said she was absolutely useless. She made basically none of her required callouts and absolutely froze with fear. He was flying the aircraft, picking up the gear and flaps and talking on the radio to ATC.

He got vectors to another airport where the weather was barely VFR (visual flight rules) about 100 miles away and barely made it there with the fuel onboard.

When they landed and parked the aircraft, she broke down crying uncontrollably saying, “We could have died! We could have died!”

He grounded the airplane and called his chief pilot and told him what happened and said, “Get her off the line. She should not be flying.” She was taken off line and ordered back to training but resigned.
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