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re: Helicopter crash update
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:52 pm to Dirk Dawgler
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:52 pm to Dirk Dawgler
... just pointing out different aspects to this case
It's not just "DEI " was the reason
seems that was always the way it was in the past --- to blame tragic events solely on a "crazy person" without regarding other facts
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:53 pm to Jbird
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The IP fricked up.
When the last 15 seconds?
In all seriousness, when did the IP frick up.
He thought she could avoid the plane until what 8 seconds to impact?
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:17 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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. 25 or so miles away.
That distance in Georgia is not a big deal
In fact 25 -30 miles is a common commuting distance to work and back for people who live outside of Atlanta proper
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:36 am to bayou2
Still doesn’t make sense. I have lived here all my life. Was actually involved in Cop City project. What is your angle of a mechanic on that helicopter being from Lilburn have to do with Cop City?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:24 am to Narax
Oh probably when he knew they were at the wrong altitude at the very least.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:57 am to baldona
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Correct. At the end of the day it’s hard to blame the DEI female 100% here when there was an instructor that could have taken over if he felt it
Pretty easy, don't make DEI hires. If you do, then don't put them in positions that jeopardize safety.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:21 am to mmcgrath
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The report said they likely didn't hear "pass behind", so how would he infer that. Evans told ARC that he had the jet in sight and requested visual separation, which means the helicopter was responsible.
In any event, Evans (supposedly) said that he believed that ATC wanted them to turn left. Clearly they had no idea. Even if a left turn was initiated with roughly 9 seconds before impact, they almost definitely hit the jet at that point.
As I said earlier, I don't know what the source is for Evans making that comment. Pretty sure it wasn't in the NTSB presser, and it definitely wasn't in the ATC recording.
Go back and look at the video. For one, she was flying too high to begin with. She turned into the jet and raised altitude right before impact. She was grossly out of the flight "tunnel" based on the map that shows helicopter travel to hug the eastern bank of the Potomac at that location. She was over the middle and had turned that way. The video alone shows that this was seemingly intentional. Politics aside, the actual video leaves a first impression of something that was impulsive or intentional, not accidental.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:39 am to Jbird
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Oh probably when he knew they were at the wrong altitude at the very least.
So he should have assumed that she couldn't fly because the altimeter was off?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:00 am to Narax
quote:No my point is when he told her we are too high, then allowed her to climb a short time later.
So he should have assumed that she couldn't fly because the altimeter was off?
In all honesty if you have the CVR from engine start to incident it would shed some light on the CRM aspect of the flight.
ETA being on the "wrong" side of the river etc.
Crew Resource Management
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 7:01 am
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:09 am to texag7
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DEI kills 64
Whoever put her in a live bird instead of a simulator should share some negligence
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:53 am to mmcgrath
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which means the helicopter was responsible.
Yeah, the dei pilot was responsible for killing everyone.
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No my point is when he told her we are too high, then allowed her to climb a short time later.
So once she was too high he should have taken over?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:23 pm to Narax
Well, she turned the other left obviously. She did pretty much hit it dead center didn't she? Is that easy to do "accidentally"?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:37 pm to RohanGonzales
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Well, she turned the other left obviously. She did pretty much hit it dead center didn't she? Is that easy to do "accidentally"?
I think that's where I have a problem, people are claiming the PI should have known she was going to "continue" to make mistakes.
This was no ordinary pilot, if he yanked her her backers would have come after him.
Should he have yanked her? No one would have known about his saving the lives, but her people would have been after him.
We still don't know who her "partner" was.
Unlike the other two who had their wives mentioned in the obits.
This "partner" disappeared.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:38 pm to Narax
No you are missing the point and why I brought up CRM. There are a chain of events. That chain could have been broken in a lot of different ways.
If you think the report will go say the dei chicken was casual and contributive that simply to isn't going to happen.
Are you by chance an instructor or evaluator?
If you think the report will go say the dei chicken was casual and contributive that simply to isn't going to happen.
Are you by chance an instructor or evaluator?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:40 pm to Narax
Can you ask you a question? Where in the data we have seen would you have taken control of the aircraft?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:44 pm to WylieTiger
Do you have experience as a pilot or air traffic controller?
What’s making you think it is intentional?
What’s making you think it is intentional?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:46 pm to Jbird
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No you are missing the point and why I brought up CRM. There are a chain of events. That chain could have been broken in a lot of different ways.
If you think the report will go say the dei chicken was casual and contributive that simply to isn't going to happen.
Are you by chance an instructor or evaluator?
The point is that you blamed the PI, but you haven't said what he needed to do different and when.
That's why I'm asking for your expert opinion, what move does he reasonably make without foreknowing the future.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:47 pm to Narax
I have the fricking aircraft.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:47 pm to Jbird
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Can you ask you a question? Where in the data we have seen would you have taken control of the aircraft?
None, I would have assumed that the Pilot with me would be able to finish the flight with only minor guidance.
And I'd be dead.
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