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Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:50 pm to Narax
Yes if you think the only reason I take control is because a pilot might kill us you aren't thinking things through.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:51 pm to Narax
Assumed? That's how you end up dead
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:53 pm to Jbird
quote:
Yes if you think the only reason I take control is because a pilot might kill us you aren't thinking things through.
So even with her 450 hours and out ranking him, and all of her pull, you think her flying required him to pull control from her?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 7:54 pm to Narax
Yes he is the instructor pilot. I have done it.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:03 pm to Narax
Let's me ask you this. Let's say you're the IP on a flight and the pilot flying briefs an ILS approach to runway xx she briefs the descent rate and Decision height etc.
You are cleared for the option. Aris etc all are good to go.
She briefed 700 feet per minute descent after established on the ILS.
She over flies and decides to go to 1000 feet descent rate to recapture the ILS.
She doesn't verbalize her intentions.
The higher descent rate causes a higher than expected approach speed.
You verbally try to correct her approach
When do you take the controls?
You are cleared for the option. Aris etc all are good to go.
She briefed 700 feet per minute descent after established on the ILS.
She over flies and decides to go to 1000 feet descent rate to recapture the ILS.
She doesn't verbalize her intentions.
The higher descent rate causes a higher than expected approach speed.
You verbally try to correct her approach
When do you take the controls?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:03 pm to Jbird
quote:
Yes he is the instructor pilot. I have done it.
So from the moment the altimeter wasn't reporting correct he should have taken control and ended the Mission?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:04 pm to Narax
Again this is why I would love the transcript from the time they powered up the aircraft to incident.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:06 pm to Jbird
quote:
Let's me ask you this. Let's say you're the IP on a flight and the pilot flying briefs an ILS approach to runway xx she briefs the descent rate and Decision height etc.
You are cleared for the option. Aris etc all are good to go.
She briefed 700 feet per minute descent after established on the ILS.
She over flies and decides to go to 1000 feet descent rate to recapture the ILS.
She doesn't verbalize her intentions.
The higher descent rate causes a higher than expected approach speed.
You verbally try to correct her approach
When do you take the controls?
That's what I was trying to confirm, the timeline of when he thought something had gone wrong.
I do appreciate the insight
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:07 pm to Narax
Taking control of the aircraft doesn't mean the mission is over by any means. It may simply be a correction and a teaching moment.
It very well could be a safety of flight issue
It very well could be a safety of flight issue
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:08 pm to Narax
Yeah being the IP with a superior officer is one of the things IP candidates in the USAF get to practice at school
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:18 pm to Narax
When to take control is a tough call. When to stop instructing is harder.
As an instructor when to shut up can be really tough.
When to let your pilot flail away and when to correct ius an art.
As an instructor when to shut up can be really tough.
When to let your pilot flail away and when to correct ius an art.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:25 pm to Jbird
How many other corrections and teaching moments are set up throughout our armed forces?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:25 pm to FriendofBaruch
What are you asking?
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:14 pm to Jbird
quote:What I am asking - and most probably understood - is how many hazardous or dangerous situations are set up by installation of DEI throughout our military
What are you asking?
just waiting for disaster
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:21 pm to FriendofBaruch
That's a question in aviation that probably in most situations isn't quantifiable
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:22 pm to Crimson Wraith
Holy smokes.
I was still right.
I was still right.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:04 pm to scottyd
Don’t know who downvoted me, but there’s a big difference in incompetence and intentionally causing a crash.
Nothing in the tapes indicates intentional action that I’ve seen. She probably just sucked as a pilot because she spent a few years on Whitehouse staff not flying.
Nothing in the tapes indicates intentional action that I’ve seen. She probably just sucked as a pilot because she spent a few years on Whitehouse staff not flying.
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