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re: He was just out for a jog!
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:33 pm to baybeefeetz
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:33 pm to baybeefeetz
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So why are you defending him running at them? We agree.
If a guy tries to kidnap you with a gun and you try to get the gun from him and die, you’re not justifiably killed. And I don’t need to say “you’re stupid for trying to get away from this person illegally detaining you.” That’s the beauty of America. You made a choice within your rights and acted on it. The guy trying to illegally detain you is in a heap of trouble, though.
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Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:34 pm to Seldom Seen
Which is why you call the police instead of chasing him down a residential street with guns drawn in the bed of a pickup
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:35 pm to baybeefeetz
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What am I ignoring?
Basic knowledge of the legal system, apparently.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:36 pm to the808bass
I’m not talking about justification. You want me to be but I’m not.
I am saying he caused himself to get shot. I think he is an idiot. Cause and effect. Not justification.
I am saying he caused himself to get shot. I think he is an idiot. Cause and effect. Not justification.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:37 pm to baybeefeetz
I agree. I further think he was probably mostly useless.
Four idiots colliding.
Four idiots colliding.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:38 pm to Displaced
Read my posts. I’m not arguing the legal issue of self defense. I understand your and 808’s arguments but I’m not arguing the legal issue.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:38 pm to baybeefeetz
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I am saying he caused himself to get shot
Sure, but in the same way a homeowner who tries to fight off an intruder and gets shot "caused" himself to be shot.
The fact that he wouldnt have been shot had he not fought with the man pointing a gun at him kinda misses the point
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Yeah, cause we all know the police always respond within seconds of you calling them.
Which is why you call the police instead of chasing him down a residential street with guns drawn in the bed of a pickup
They didn’t exactly do anything the right way, but there’s a sense of urgency when crimes happen and the cops aren’t there. The best thing they could have done was call the police and followed him until the cops arrived.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:39 pm to baybeefeetz
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I am saying he caused himself to get shot.
You're right. He is much more responsible for it than the people with guns and cars chasing him...
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
Yeah under certain circumstances when the homeowner has a choice, fighting the person is stupid. Just take the L if you are being robbed at gunpoint.
If they try to butt frick you, fight them. It’s probably worth it.
Arbery could have behaved differently and surely saved his own life.
If they try to butt frick you, fight them. It’s probably worth it.
Arbery could have behaved differently and surely saved his own life.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:42 pm to Displaced
Way to straw man me. You are a clown. Get out of here and let 808 frick with me.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:43 pm to baybeefeetz
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and surely saved
Likely. Not surely.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:43 pm to the808bass
Fair
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:45 pm to baybeefeetz
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Way to straw man me
:indigoMontoya:Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:47 pm to Displaced
You set up a straw man who claimed he was more responsible than they were, and you argued with him.
And I don’t think it’s “indigo,” but I’m
Not really an expert on that childish movie that nerds love.
And I don’t think it’s “indigo,” but I’m
Not really an expert on that childish movie that nerds love.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:50 pm to baybeefeetz
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You set up a straw man who claimed he was more responsible than they were, and you argued with him.
The only way you can see it this way is if you totally lack reading comprehension.
quote:
And I don’t think it’s “indigo,” but I’m
Not really an expert on that childish movie that nerds love.
This is fair, but the irony is pretty funny here.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:51 pm to baybeefeetz
In all seriousness, 808 is the always the MOP when it comes to police/“self defense”/black dude type shooting threads.
I respect it.
I don’t who the duck this displaced character is.
Has not distinguished himself.
I respect it.
I don’t who the duck this displaced character is.
Has not distinguished himself.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is no possible way for the vigilantes to have known that prior to the chase.
They can guess or assume, but they don't know anything about him as an individual.
Arbery knew he was a thief on probation for stealing and was casing homes for shite to steal, he knew why they were chasing him and didn't want to stop and face any potential punishments.
His poor judgement doesn't justify their actions, but his poor judgement started and heavily contributed to the long cause and effect chain that led to his death.
It's a bit like lane splitting. In some states it's legal. If you lane split, get in a wreck, and end up paralyzed from the neck down, perhaps a silver lining is that you can sue the people who hit you... But you're still paralyzed.
Again. Fortunately for Arbery he's not on trial. Unfortunately for Arbery, he's dead.
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Even more reason why they should have just called the police in this situation.
They did. I think they were even right to chase from a safe distance so long as the road/traffic allowed them too. But they shouldn't have done anything beyond that.
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If they had to chase him, then at no point was he a threat to them.
There are situations where people are running yet are still considered a threat - so no that's not true at all. That said, those sorts of situations are best left for the police.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:57 pm to the808bass
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Stopping is an option if you know they aren’t going to shoot you. How would he have known that?
The fact that they've chased him for minutes and haven't fired a single shot yet...?
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:02 pm to thermal9221
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That’s why you call the cops and not try to be one.
My property is worth more than a burglar, rioter, or looter.
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