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Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:10 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:10 pm to
Oh. All I have to do is quit my job and homeschool my kids? Because you are afraid my baby might give your baby an illness with a 0.02% mortality rate?

Sounds reasonable.

This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 7:17 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11512 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:20 pm to
Thankfully my kids are healthy, but none of us except maybe Elon get to make public policy ourselves.

This is Rhett Krawitt, a kid with leukemia who advocated for vaccine mandates so kids like him would be protected. There's a lot of them.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46095 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:29 pm to
So bodily autonomy only when democrats say so?

Got it
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:22 pm to
Compete bullshite
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
2217 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

This is Rhett Krawitt, a kid with leukemia who advocated for vaccine mandates so kids like him would be protected. There's a lot of them.


Wait I thought vaccines protect you from disease???? If so he should be protected and NO ONE should be forced to vaccinate to protect someone else. Nor should it be mandated in public schools that our fricking tax payer money goes to.

I will post tomorrow with links to real data from the cdc that shows it’s connected. Autism and many other illnesses to the vaccines.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11512 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:08 pm to
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Wait I thought vaccines protect you from disease????


They do, but if your immune system is diseased like his was with leukemia (cancer of the bone marrow), you're not healthy enough for a vaccine to work and it may even be dangerous to you. and if you get a disease like measles that kills 1/1000 unvaccinated people overall, it's much more likely to kill you if you're immunocompromised. Therefore, kids like him rely on high rates of peers and staff around him to be vaccinated to make it reasonably safe to attend school.
Posted by LakeCharles
USA
Member since Oct 2016
5348 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:19 pm to
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And they believe that because they believe that the only way to keep, say, polio from coming back or for a mass outbreak of deadly measles to occur is to have as close to 100% vaccination rate as possible.


200 years ago the most learned physicians thought blood letting and leaches were the best cure for many illnesses. We look back at this and laugh. 200 years from now (assuming there are still people around to do it) they will look back at us and laugh at our current "science".

Generally, what people refer to as science today is the art of designing a test and parsing the data to show the remarkable results that you want to show with the test that was designed to show those exact remarkable results. Take the covid vaccine 100% effective number. 2 people in the placebo group got covid and only 1 person in the vaccinated group got covid, so that is where the 100% number came from. An actual scientist would look at those numbers and automatically say - the test group (both vaccinated and placebo) was not large enough to be a valid test. The people that can barely spell science (but claim to be the smartest people in the room) say the 100% effective number means they can not get or spread covid if they are vaccinated. We need science where the pay check of the person doing the test is not linked to the results - no predetermined outcomes. This is what RFK is after.


Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11512 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:27 pm to
The mandate isn't the most important part - it's the norm that vaccines are good for your health and your neighbors. And woe be to the polity that politicizes this issues, because nasty preventable diseases are bound to return.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78251 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 1:28 am to
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I will post tomorrow with links to real data from the cdc that shows it’s connected. Autism and many other illnesses to the vaccines.


sure
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46095 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 7:54 am to
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The mandate isn't the most important part


So you don't support vaccine mandates? Now I'm literally wondering what your case is here.

I haven't doubted the efficacy of these vaccines. I've only called for broad and honest American research into potential long term affects, and an end to mandates (tied to education or anything else).

Or are you and Sammy just typical contrarian liberals who can't stomach anyone who so much as doubts the party orthodoxy.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11512 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 8:47 am to
That's not what I said. I said that norms are more important, but they're hard to maintain because eradicating these diseases has also eradicated popular memory of the diseases. I was in medical school when there were first zero detected cases of measles in the US. None of my colleagues saw a case until considerably later in their careers. Parents have the luxury of worrying about zombie ideas like autism and MMR because vaccines are so successful.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46095 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 8:51 am to
This isn’t the 50’s. Measles is not the same threat.

We can let parents choose.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78251 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 12:06 pm to
But parents should be armed
with the best information possible when making this choice and there is just a mountain of evidence on one side and scarps
on the other.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11512 posts
Posted on 3/14/25 at 2:50 pm to
It's not the same threat because of vaccines, norms, and policies. We're stuck.

I like your practical empirical approach. I think Elon and Peter Thiel should revive their sea-steading ideas, implement their voluntary vaccination policies on folks who choose to live out there and it should be well-researched.
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