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re: Has anyone opposing tariffs and is "of authority" offered a solution?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We are the #2 manufacturing country
And we are the leader in services. In fact, we are tge leader by quite a lot.The sorts of jobs that pay a lot more.
The problem, imo, is that some Americans have been left behind. Politicians have been largely dismissive of them for decades. and I like that Trump and Vance are treating them differently and better.
But if that is THE problem, then this is overkill.
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:38 pm to Riverside
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to stir up the crazies
If that’s truly a thing, exactly how do you distinguish yourself from “the crazies?”
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Milton Friedman knows a bit. He's one of the most important anti-Leftist economists of the past 100 years.
One person.
And?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
Stop avoiding the question like you always do
Just like you avoided pretty much all my questions in my first post in this thread
Let’s see if you are as smart as you think you are
Just like you avoided pretty much all my questions in my first post in this thread
Let’s see if you are as smart as you think you are
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The philosophy behind that story and tariffs are the same. Do you think either are rational?
What was the damage to their industry. They are the #2 producer of wine in the world.
According to some poster on here being #2 is prima facie evidence of infallibility.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:43 pm to JimEverett
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The problem, imo, is that some Americans have been left behind.
The issue is the debate over why.
The "new left" MAGA argues like leftists and blames vague institutions and ignores personal responsibility of those people.
The traditional right/economic conservatives are more focused on the personal responsibility involved and not vague institutional arguments
Arguing "globalism" did it is the same as Leftists arguing "Racism" or "white supremacy" led to the same outcome of black people. I reject both.
There are currently jobs for these people, but those jobs don't pay quite as well as the ones they hold out for, and require a little more effort/skill than the ones they hold out for. That holding out cost them, dearly.
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But if that is THE problem, then this is overkill.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, but the spin to avoid personal responsibility is a new shift for the board. It also ignores the opportunities available today.
LINK
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7. There were 462,000 manufacturing job openings in January 2025.
There were 462,000 manufacturing job openings in January, up from a revised 431,000 in December. Durable goods job openings led the overall increase, rising to 317,000 in January from a revised 291,000 in December. Nondurable goods openings ticked up from 140,000 to 144,000 in January. The labor market has eased close to pre-pandemic (2017–2019) levels, when the average number of openings in the sector was 432,000, in contrast with the average of 832,500 between 2021 and 2023.
That's just manufacturing, not even the trades (which have a huge demand for workers currently).
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:43 pm to Midtiger farm
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Stop avoiding the question like you always do
I didn't. I understand your "national security" questionings and told you to make it a complete argument.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:44 pm to Midtiger farm
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Just like you avoided pretty much all my questions in my first post in this thread
A lie
I responded in great detail
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Another example of a problem that does not exist. Due to trade at least. Pure histrionics and dumb talking points without substance
Does this mean you´re hoping for a great 2030 reset, global governance and and a universal ´dole´ program in perpetuity?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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A lie
Honestly dude, nobody gives a shite. Take your shite to the court room.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:46 pm to Dandy Lion
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Does this mean you´re hoping for a great 2030 reset,
Only if that means Ronaldo comes back to Real and wins a Ballon D'or
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global governance and and a universal ´dole´ program in perpetuity?
I'm the one arguing for less government and more conservative economic policy, so clearly no.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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didn't. I understand your "national security" questionings and told you to make it a complete argument.
You avoided every question I asked you in my first post
You are scared to put your own beliefs on here besides basic libertarian bull shite and you can’t answer anything without quoting Freidman’s theories that only work if human emotions didn’t exist
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Again, do you think anyone really gives a shite about what you say?
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:48 pm to Cuz413
There was no need to do anything.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
No you only answer one question and couldn’t even do it in your own words
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Domestic protectionism.
Certainly, that’s one big reason, but there are many other reasons, such as national security, and internal wealth creation.
And it’s absurd to argue that tariffs are inherently bad economic policy because the Orange Man supports them.
This anarchic tariff policy you seem to be promoting would decimate all manufacturing activity in the United States, which is why I think it’s insane.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Only if that means Ronaldo comes back to Real and wins a Ballon D'or
LOL
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I'm the one arguing for less government and more conservative economic policy, so clearly no.
You´re consistently lambasted and portrayed as not so, by those on here.
What gives?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:50 pm to Midtiger farm
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You avoided every question I asked you in my first post
Not true, and I posted the receipts above.
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You are scared to put your own beliefs on here
I understand you're making a "national security" argument, and I explained in great detail why your burden is making a complete argument.
I'm not going to let you "infrastructure" and change your arguments in mid stream. I know what you're doing and you are upset I called it out. Leftists did the same thing during Biden when I mocked the same rhetoric with "infrastructure".
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Again, nobody gives a frick what you think.
You aren’t special.
You aren’t special.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:53 pm to Riverside
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Certainly, that’s one big reason, but there are many other reasons, such as national security, and internal wealth creation.
National security, to an extent. Friedman covers that (and another poster is trying to force that into the conversation).
Internal wealth creation? Not so much. The opposite happens in the aggregate.
But it helps politicians get elected, so they keep promoting it.
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And it’s absurd to argue that tariffs are inherently bad economic policy because the Orange Man supports them.
I never made that argument.
I'm more saying they're bad economic policy because Nancy Pelosi supports them
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This anarchic tariff policy you seem to be promoting would decimate all manufacturing activity in the United States
The evidence of reality laughs at this. We manufacture plenty in the US right now. If your argument was true, the opposite would be true.
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which is why I think it’s insane.
Well you created a straw man to scare yourself, like most political boogeymen.
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