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re: Graham Conspiracy Theories

Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:21 am to
Posted by Ailsa
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:21 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:23 am to
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So they concocted this story of a sudden heart attack once he got home.
Except THEY DID NOT concoct a story of "a sudden heart attack."

Graham died of an acute aortic dissection. It is not the same thing. Aortic dissection is something physically discernible, whereas malignant dysrhythmia (a form of "heart attack" in layman's terms) is not. You obviously don't understand that.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:38 am to
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Graham died of an acute aortic dissection. It is not the same thing. Aortic dissection is something physically discernible, whereas malignant dysrhythmia (a form of "heart attack" in layman's terms) is not. You obviously don't understand that.


This is a distinction without a difference. Obviously. Do you wanna know why he died? Because his heart was no longer able to pump enough blood to his body to keep it alive and he went into cardiac arrest.

Again, throwing medical terms at the wall just for the frick of it as if it makes any difference whatsoever.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:56 am to
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I heard that the distance from the drone factory to the airport was an hour's trip on top of the flight time.

So, if I were looking at "conspiracy theories" surrounding this event, the one that seems far more likely than any other is that he met his demise at the drone factory and for whatever reason the US Government doesn't want people to know that. So they concocted this story of a sudden heart attack once he got home.

And even then I still wouldn't assume the Russians did it. I would sooner suspect a Ukrainian false flag.


Imagine my surprise that after fleshing out this "conspiracy theory", I read that the Ukrainian Prime Minister has resigned.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Resigns on Same Day Graham Dies and Was at Ukrainian Drone Factory
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 11:46 am to
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This is a distinction without a difference. Obviously.
Negative Hoss.

One has an anatomic 'rip' in the aortic lining, identifiable at autopsy. The other does not.
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 11:53 am to
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Imagine my surprise that after fleshing out this "conspiracy theory", I read that the Ukrainian Prime Minister has resigned.


Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:02 pm to
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Negative Hoss.


In the context of how the term (incorrect admittedly) was used, yes, it is absolutely a distinction without a difference.

if he were killed in Ukraine and for whatever reason they decided to tell the story that he died quickly at his home in DC instead, the specifics of the bullshite (in the sake of this hypothetical scenario that you're contesting) story they cook up matter very little.

They could have said that he died from anything from myocardial infarction, to aortic dissection, to a bullet in the brain, to being mauled by a pack of pitbulls, and the autopsy report would reflect as such.

You continue to deliberately miss the point.
This post was edited on 7/13/26 at 12:03 pm
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:05 pm to
All of the conspiracy theories are covering for the scandalous truth, he died while having consensual sexual intercourse with a biological female of appropriate age. This can’t be revealed as he had a reputation to protect.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:06 pm to
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if he were killed in Ukraine and for whatever reason they decided to tell the story that he died quickly at his home in DC instead
So Trump is in on the murder?
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:07 pm to
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So Trump is in on the murder?


Is everything in your world view that simplistic in thought?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:09 pm to


So are you saying Trump did, or he did not, speak with Graham in DC?
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:25 pm to
Again, in this hypothetical scenario that you have quickly established an extremely myopic view of the world over, can you not see how a POTUS could possibly want to keep under wraps the reason a US Senator was killed in an active war zone?

I mean, presumably if such a thing were to occur, they would want to conduct investigations, right? It would essentially be an act of war. I would imagine that if such a thing happened, the POTUS would want to keep it under wraps until such time they were sure of who was responsible.

And to answer your question, no, he didn't say Graham was in DC. I know, because I created the thread on it. He didn't say where Graham was when he spoke to him. Only that he had spoken to Graham that afternoon, Graham had said they were good to go on the SAVE America Act and then he was dead. He also said they planned to meet the next day.

I ask again, are your thought processes always this simplistic?
This post was edited on 7/13/26 at 12:27 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:35 pm to
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no, he didn't say Graham was in DC.
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He said Graham had just landed from Ukraine and called the president around 7:00 p.m.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/13/26 at 12:44 pm to
Ok. I went back and checked. I stand corrected. But it doesn't change anything really. The POTUS rolling out a bullshite story (again, for this hypothetical scenario) doesn't mean that the POTUS is "in on his murder." There are lots of reasons why he may not just come out and say, "hey y'all, he was frickin blown up in Ukraine" or whatever the case may be.

Chief among them being, in my view, is that they wouldn't want to say this until they know who was behind it. Like, for certain.

And I'm not even saying that's what happened here. Just that it's strange. Trump says it was before 8pm when he heard from Graham. And what we heard is that he toured a drone factory that morning and then made a 12-16 hour flight back home to DC and was apparently back in DC before 8pm. Not impossible. But improbable, imo. Again, supposedly the drone factory itself was an hour away from the airport.

If all of that is to be believed it means he was up and touring that facility at like 4 in the morning (eastern). And then leaving immediately.
This post was edited on 7/13/26 at 12:51 pm
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