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re: GOP “support the nominee” pledge tracker
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:49 am to Jack Carter
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:49 am to Jack Carter
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Incorrect. The party will still function as usual.
It’s not a question up for debate. In a two party system, either the party unites behind their nominee or they lose.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:50 am to Jon Ham
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This is so vague you’re pretty much saying if a candidate has any reason to be unhappy with how the GOP did or didn’t do something, they are justified in fracturing the party.
Ok, lets get direct then.
You started this entire thread to bait Trump supporters into supporting a blanket agreement to support whoever wins the nomination, regardless of how they achieve that outcome.
There are already transparently political state charges filed in NY, with possible charges to follow in Atlanta and the DOJ looking to do the same at the Federal level.
If the GOP doesn't agree to back Trump through the nomination process against what is clearly an attempt by the left to prevent him from being nominated using the weight of a partisan justice system why would Trump supporters or Trump himself agree to support the result of that process?
Now if the GOP backs him through the process and he loses that's an entirely different story.
I have already said that I like and would support DeSantis in the general given a fair process to the point of donating to his campaign, but if he gets the nomination because the GOP leaves Trump to die so they can get their guy in there I'm done with the party entirely.
Any good faith I had in the GOP leadership to do the right thing is gone given their actions in 2020 and their unwillingness to combat the illegal efforts of the DNC to get their candidates elected over the last 6 years.
So no, I'm not going to give a pre-emptive pledge and neither should Trump. They've done nothing to deserve it and would likely use it as an excuse to do things I don't want done.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:50 am to Jon Ham
I don't like this. If Trump loses to DeSantis and decides to completely wreck the country by running third party that's his right to do and one would hope would be a wakeup call to all his lemmings about how hes just in it for his ego and his insatiable desire to be the center of attention, not because he gives two sh!ts about the country or Americans in general.
But they shouldn't be hindering debates between the people running. That's not good for the country either
But they shouldn't be hindering debates between the people running. That's not good for the country either
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:58 am to tide06
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You started this entire thread to bait Trump supporters into supporting a blanket agreement to support whoever wins the nomination, regardless of how they achieve that outcome.
It’s a principle/expectation that applies to all on our side, including DeSantis supporters. If beating Biden is priority #1, it is not a controversial principle/expectation. It’s an imperative. If that conflicts with you or your preferred candidate, that’s a “you” problem.
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If the GOP doesn't agree to back Trump through the nomination process against what is clearly an attempt by the left to prevent him from being nominated using the weight of a partisan justice system why would Trump supporters or Trump himself agree to support the result of that process?
The GOP is literally requiring all candidates to pledge to support the nominee in order to participate in the debate. There is no stipulation to that pledge, such as “the pledge does not apply if the winner is under criminal investigation.” So I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to Jon Ham
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GOP “support the nominee” pledge tracker
As soon as they announce the punishments for never trumpers?
We’ve already done this dog and pony show. We know how it works
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:01 am to Jon Ham
You sound like a little girl.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:03 am to DavidTheGnome
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If Trump loses to DeSantis and decides to completely wreck the country by running third party that's his right to do
He has the right to all the benefits and privileges of being a member of the GOP, including receiving the support of the candidates he beats if he wins, but he’s free to leave the team and wreck their chances if he doesn’t get chosen as the nominee? Doesn’t work the way.
Either you’re on the team or not. We either win with a united party or we lose with a fractured one. It’s not complicated or controversial.
If the GOP is so out to get Trump or whatever it is some of you “believe,” then why was he the GOP nominee twice and seeking it again for a third time? You guys twist reality to justify Trump’s behavior or potential future behavior.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:49 am to Fun Bunch
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Just to put a stop to the nonsense that Trump or someone else will run 3rd party...
What if Trump and RFKjr run as independants.
That would be a shitshow.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:50 am to alphaandomega
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What if Trump and RFKjr run as independants.
Biden would win in a massive, Reagan-esque Electoral College landslide.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:52 am to Jon Ham
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True, but making the pledge then revoking will result in that candidate not getting as much support due to going back on their word.
you idiots created a thread just yesterday to decide which democrat to vote for since you are all backing out of your pledge to vote for whoever wins the rep primary.
now you want to be like hillary and demand through some technicality that trump must agree to step aside
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:53 am to Jon Ham
Irony that you will only vote for DeSantis.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:08 pm to Jon Ham
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Is it surprising that the people who support the guy who already lost to Biden also don’t agree with fundamental principles that allow a party to win an election?
Culture of losing.
Do tell what the rinos have won in the last 50 years. Tell us how they have moved more to the right than the left. Please enlighten us.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:10 pm to Jon Ham
Imagine having to unite to defeat a potato.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:22 pm to Jon Ham
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The GOP is literally requiring all candidates to pledge to support the nominee in order to participate in the debate. There is no stipulation to that pledge, such as “the pledge does not apply if the winner is under criminal investigation.” So I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Ok, again I will simplify.
Step 1: Trump agrees to support any nominee without stipulation
Step 2: Biden DOJ indicts Trump on some contrived charge to get him out of the way
Step 3: GOP says "Aww shucks guys, we need to let the process play out, nothing we can do. Get em next time!" as hes drug into court and slapped with gag orders during the heart of the primary
Step 4: DeSantis wins the primary as McConnell and the GOP leadership team sits back and laughs from the corner at Trump as he gets railroaded again.
All of that is not only plausible, but IMO likely given recent events.
That being the case, why would Trump or any objective conservative in 2023 agree to a blanket statement like "Ill support the nominee no matter what!"?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:25 pm to Jon Ham
you really believe what you say? I sounds incredibly stupid when put in words
this pledge is stupid distraction at best, and it gives the uniparty the ability to exclude anyone they want from debates.
If you want to really do something useful, make them provide their financial stuff, and not the usual bs.
list every donor (major) superpac, (yours or any who support you)
if for re-election provide ALL voiting records, INCLUDING private committee ones.
or pledge I will NOT MAKE any more money than my salary while in office.
but this "waaa u gotta support me no matter what" crybaby bs, is purely stupid, a waste of time and resourses, and just gotcha's for the media to run with
and, it seems obvious, that the maga group is doing well, but the GOPe is trying to fight to hold control thru threats and coercion, and close to extortion
this pledge is stupid distraction at best, and it gives the uniparty the ability to exclude anyone they want from debates.
If you want to really do something useful, make them provide their financial stuff, and not the usual bs.
list every donor (major) superpac, (yours or any who support you)
if for re-election provide ALL voiting records, INCLUDING private committee ones.
or pledge I will NOT MAKE any more money than my salary while in office.
but this "waaa u gotta support me no matter what" crybaby bs, is purely stupid, a waste of time and resourses, and just gotcha's for the media to run with
and, it seems obvious, that the maga group is doing well, but the GOPe is trying to fight to hold control thru threats and coercion, and close to extortion
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:26 pm to Jon Ham
yes it is,
it is what makes the party platform, not vise versa
it is what makes the party platform, not vise versa
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:27 pm to tide06
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Why should anyone give a blanket pre-emptive agreement to just go along with whatever they decide?
Because they use the RNC to run for the presidency. Why let someone use your organization and then try to blow it up when they get pissed off about something?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:34 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Because they use the RNC to run for the presidency.
The problem.
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Why let someone use your organization and then try to blow it up when they get pissed off about something?
Grow a pair and just tell him no, you're not invited to the debates. Deep down inside, you know that's what they'd like to do.
The answer is, they don't know how to keep the MAGA support engaged and not enraged.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:34 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
horse and cart argument
the rnc supports the candidate, not creates who the king should be
rnc has been a complete sellout my entire life, they are happier as the we'll get'em next time crew
f'k that, MAGA is alive and well, and the RNC needs us,
not the other waay around
the rnc supports the candidate, not creates who the king should be
rnc has been a complete sellout my entire life, they are happier as the we'll get'em next time crew
f'k that, MAGA is alive and well, and the RNC needs us,
not the other waay around
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:37 pm to FATBOY TIGER
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The answer is, they don't know how to keep the MAGA support engaged and not enraged.
MAGA supporters are good for one and possibly two more cycles and they are done. The country always changes. It may be that democrat registration is 25% higher than R at that point. Try not to be miserable for the next six and possibly more years.
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