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Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:44 am to The Maj
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I am human, I also question why God was willing to send His Son to die a horrible death on a cross for a sinner such as myself...
Because "his Son" lives in perfect unity with the Father, so much so that in essence it was himself who chose to endure this pain and suffering on our behalf. The blood which had to be spilled to cement the blood covenant with Abraham was a pure gift of unselfish love displayed for us and the point of Jesus dying was to show the magnitude and unselfish nature of this amazing grace and love God has for each of us.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:45 am to bfniii
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is god immoral for allowing any children to die?
He didn't allow them to die, he sent the holy spirit to kill them.
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what age is god required to allow people to live to?
Depends on what kind of god your God is I suppose.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:48 am to TCUFan
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So far you have said you feel like he should have made a better plan. How are you going about judging his plan as good or bad or mediocre given our vantage point and our many limitations? For example, if you had all the attributes of God, is it not possible you might feel very differently about the quality of his plan?
From my "vantage point" I see a book that claims a creator made all of this/us to worship him. That seems a bit selfish. Is there not another way? We are born to suffer and forced to believe he killed his only son to save us? The notion that this is the best an all knowing all good/evil creator came up with and loves us so much and he shows us he loves us by making us suffer and worship him and if we chose not to we are made to suffer even more for all eternity.
That creator with those "rules" sounds like an a-hole.
He loves us so much that in the suffering he created, he is the only solution? Sounds like big government to me. create a problem that you are the only solution to.
Not attacking you or your beliefs personally but in general I have lots more questions that dont have answers and require more than just "God has a plan for your life".
my main point is that you and everyone else that claim to know the truth are as informed and speculative as non believers. Just because a book composed by some very shady people claims to be true doesnt make it so.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:52 am to Crimson1st
Why is forgiveness dependent on blood sacrifices?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:52 am to Azkiger
quote:is god immoral or wrong for allowing these things? i would love to know where the source of your smuggled in authority comes from. like how you are able to tell god what he should and shouldn't be doing.
That doesn't cover all gratuitous evil, like birth defects, natural disasters, etc.
quote:where is this rule written down? because it sure wasn't true in the roman empire. i wouldn't say it was true in medieval europe either. the upper classes in those civilizations were quite religious. my point wass that wealth isn't the factor you are making it out to be. neither is country of origin.
As a general rule, religion spreads in lower educated communities and diminishes in higher educated communities. The trend you highlighted is expected
you objected to god treating people seemingly unequally. some people are poor and live in mogadishu. why is god obligated to treat everyone the same?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:54 am to Azkiger
quote:once again, is that wrong?
He didn't allow them to die, he sent the holy spirit to kill them
quote:oh. can you share the algorithm with me? i've never seen it
Depends on what kind of god your God is I suppose
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:59 am to bfniii
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is god immoral or wrong for allowing these things? i would love to know where the source of your smuggled in authority comes from. like how you are able to tell god what he should and shouldn't be doing.
I don't have to smuggle anything in, it's already present in the Christian worldview. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
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where is this rule written down?
Polling numbers comparing religious views to education.
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because it sure wasn't true in the roman empire
They were educated relative to that time period, sure. But I'm not talking about education relative to a time period.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:59 am to bfniii
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He didn't allow them to die, he sent the holy spirit to kill them
once again, is that wrong?
"Do as i say not as i do!
you cant kill babies but my holy spirit is allowed to."
come on man. just take a step back and realize what you are trying to defend.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:00 am to TCUFan
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Odin isn't a god despite what Marvel might say. Odin died and was buried. He also lost his eye and couldn't grow back another. I believe a lot of these pagan gods were in fact warrior kings who before or after they died were deified by their people. But as the early Christians would ask the pagans then, "why follow someone as a god when you know their bones are buried over there?"
Because Odin didn't send c-19
Romans 11:36
All things come from god, through god, and return to god, Praise him for ever.
Odin died defending his people and kingdom.
I've seen to many good people die for no reason.
Rid the world of all disease, heal the sick of all illness, tear down the wall around the vatican.
Wars have been fought over religious beliefs. Some continue today.
I was once an alter boy, it took my uncle, the only person to believe me to make the priest admit his wrong doing. Evil persists everywhere, the pope slaps a woman, meh, she deserves it.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Believe what you want, it's still a free country............................for now.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:07 am to bfniii
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once again, is that wrong?
According to Ezekiel 18:20, yes. Is that passage wrong?
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oh. can you share the algorithm with me? i've never seen it
You need to pull out a calculator to figure out whether killing children isn't good?
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:07 am to lsaltee
quote:worship is another word for defer to authority. that's tough for our society right now because we're suffering from a crisis of authority. postmodernism decentralized the existential experience. contemporary westerners have trouble with that concept whereas basically every other culture did not. it seems foreign to many people in america today. everyone defers to some authority. the problem is the not recognizing that the concept of authority is pointless apart from a transcendent authoritative anchor
I see a book that claims a creator made all of this/us to worship him. That seems a bit selfish. Is there not another way?
quote:we don't only suffer. there is plenty about life to love and enjoy. he didn't "kill" jesus. jesus "emptied" himself of heavenly privilege to show just how much god truly loves us.
We are born to suffer and forced to believe he killed his only son to save us?
quote:before making this statement, you might want to clear up your misunderstandings
That creator with those "rules" sounds like an a-hole
quote:first, he allows suffering, yes. is that wrong? second, if you're acknowledging god's existence then you already know the answer to the second question. he is the only solution because he is the highest authority
He loves us so much that in the suffering he created, he is the only solution?
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create a problem
check out genesis 1:31 quote:but that is very much a great beginning point because it acknowledges the transcendent authoritative nature of god. it's hard to move forward with any sort of ontological truth apart from that. check out the "shema" in deuteronomy 6:4-9. apart from a transcendent authority, nothing in life has any sort of enduring meaning. it's all just dust in the wind.
require more than just "God has a plan for your life"
quote:well god did reveal his will to us
my main point is that you and everyone else that claim to know the truth are as informed and speculative as non believers
quote:oh boy. so you know nothing about the bible. would you like to not be ignorant or are you going to just parrot what you heard? who are these "shady" people and what makes them shady?
Just because a book composed by some very shady people claims to be true doesnt make it so
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:10 am to Azkiger
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Why is forgiveness dependent on blood sacrifices?
Because such an atonement shows how serious God takes sinning and how much the Israelites should have too.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:11 am to TCUFan
upvoted
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:14 am to bfniii
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what age is god required to allow people to live to?
I don't have that answer, but I bet parents with children who have leukemia could talk you about that.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:16 am to TCUFan
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Because such an atonement shows how serious God takes sinning and how much the Israelites should have too.
Out of all the possible ways to show how serious an offense is, why choose blood sacrifice?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:17 am to Azkiger
quote:was. the sacrifices were just an outward expression of penitence. jewish atonement theology maintained that there couldn't be remission of sins without shed blood. it represented the fact that unrighteousness was an offense to a holy and just god therefore, there was a debt that had to be paid. jesus is referred to as the sacricial lamb. he was the once for all sacrifice.
Why is forgiveness dependent on blood sacrifices?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:19 am to Azkiger
quote:i asked a question and you didn't answer it
I don't have to smuggle anything in, it's already present in the Christian worldview
quote:i haven't seen any yet
I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies
quote:that's not a rule.
Polling numbers comparing religious views to education
quote:regardless, what you said is demonstrably wrong
They were educated relative to that time period, sure. But I'm not talking about education relative to a time period
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:22 am to lsaltee
quote:first, you are acting like god forced people to reject him. second, you're acting like god is not justified in holding people accountable for their choices which is of course, inconsistent. that would mean hitler gets to go to heaven and i'm pretty sure you're not in favor of that.
you cant kill babies but my holy spirit is allowed to."
quote:you might want to check my post history on religious discussions. i've put some thought into it.
come on man. just take a step back and realize what you are trying to defend
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:24 am to Azkiger
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Why is forgiveness dependent on blood sacrifices?
Here is a good article regarding this...
LINK
Genesis 3:21 then records the first death in the Bible, when God made clothes for Adam and Eve out of animal skin. Presumably, this would have been shocking and horrifying to the first couple. It was a graphic demonstration of the nature of their sin. Because they sinned, they now had to be clothed, or covered. That covering was only accomplished by the shedding of blood, a metaphor for their spiritual death and a foreshadowing of things to come.
*I have some more to add but am short on time. This should be helpful though for your question.
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