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re: God Emperor: Illegals should be deported with "no judges or court cases"
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:34 pm to udtiger
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:34 pm to udtiger
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A citizen isn't sneaking across the border
So this new policy would only apply to people caught sneaking across the border?
Once the get cleared, they are free to stay?
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Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:36 pm to joshnorris14
They're not owed due process. They're not citizens. Membership has its privileges.
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:37 pm to joshnorris14
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If they aren't holding them for a crime, how would it be a violation of the 5th Amendment?
Due Process applies to more than just criminal proceedings and clearly this is a criminal action as they are being punished for illegal presence.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:38 pm to VoxDawg
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They're not owed due process. They're not citizens.
That maybe your opinion but it is totally incorrect from a legal standpoint.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:38 pm to joshnorris14
This seems frought with challenges. Just build he wall and prevent it.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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as they are being punished for illegal presence.
Except they wouldn't be punished. I don't believe the US government will hold them in Mexican prisons for illegally entering America
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:41 pm to joshnorris14
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Except they wouldn't be punished.
Really? Being forcibly taken back across the border isn't a punishment?
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:41 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Achtung! May I see your papers?
Let's not emulate Europe.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Really? Being forcibly taken back across the border isn't a punishment?
So, if I kick a trespasser out if my house, I have punished him?
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Really? Being forcibly taken back across the border isn't a punishment?
Not legally
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In criminal law, Any pain, penalty, suffering, or confinement inflicted upon a person by the authority of the law and the judgment and sentence of a court, for some crime or offense committed by him, or for his omission of a duty enjoined by law. See Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. 320, 18 L. Ed. 356; Featherstone v. People, 194 111. 325, 02 N. E. 084; Ex parte Howe, 20 Or. 181, 37 Pac. 530; State v. Grant, 79 Mo. 129, 49 Am. Rep. 218.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:43 pm to Antonio Moss
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Really? Being forcibly taken back across the border isn't a punishment?
No
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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But citizens are not.
No, but you're required to give your name if asked by authorities so they can run it through a data base to check for warrants.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:46 pm to udtiger
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So, if I kick a trespasser out if my house, I have punished him?
When the government does it, yes.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:46 pm to joshnorris14
We shouldn’t even hear about all of this bullshite. Within 24 hrs of being caught, an illegal should already be on a buss back across the border. End of discussion.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:47 pm to Dale51
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No, but you're required to give your name if asked by authorities so they can run it through a data base to check for warrants
This is not true.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:47 pm to Antonio Moss
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Being forcibly taken back across the border isn't a punishment?
No more than having a squatter on your private land removed for trespass.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:48 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Hmmm, you ain’t got valid identification, you go home. Pretty simple and very European.
You have an awful lot of faith in our federal govt to deport only illegals.
You will have to forgive me if I dont trust everything my govt says.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:48 pm to Dale51
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No, but you're required to give your name if asked by authorities so they can run it through a data base to check for warrants.
Not in every state
Posted on 6/24/18 at 3:50 pm to joshnorris14
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Not legally
In criminal law, Any pain, penalty, suffering, or confinement inflicted upon a person by the authority of the law and the judgment and sentence of a court, for some crime or offense committed by him, or for his omission of a duty enjoined by law. See Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. 320, 18 L. Ed. 356; Featherstone v. People, 194 111. 325, 02 N. E. 084; Ex parte Howe, 20 Or. 181, 37 Pac. 530; State v. Grant, 79 Mo. 129, 49 Am. Rep. 218.
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