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re: Gay marriage will be the end of Christianity
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:17 am to 5WFSHR
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:17 am to 5WFSHR
I'm in the Global Methodist Church and we just separated from the United Methodist Church ostensibly over "human sexuality" but it was much more than just that for me. I can think of many Protestant denominations that don't approve of gay marriage. We have a falling membership but that is a small part of what's going on in Christianity. For my individual Church, we are busting at the seems in growth and transfers. We good!
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:41 am to 5WFSHR
I don’t take anyone who cares about the label used to describe a gay couple’s committed relationship seriously - obviously as long as the government didn’t force a church to be involved.
The right should be embracing homosexuals who agree in terms of limited government, tax law, foreign policy, illegal immigration, etc.
And there are many of them out there. There are also a lot of people who are not homosexuals but who would more readily embrace fiscal conservatism over leftism if Republicans simply kept their religious views confined to their church and own personal life.
The right should be embracing homosexuals who agree in terms of limited government, tax law, foreign policy, illegal immigration, etc.
And there are many of them out there. There are also a lot of people who are not homosexuals but who would more readily embrace fiscal conservatism over leftism if Republicans simply kept their religious views confined to their church and own personal life.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:56 am to 5WFSHR
Gay marriage makes it so it becomes unfashionable and even bigoted to be a traditional Christian in blue areas.
These people would more likely believe God created heaven and earth and rose from the dead before they would be believe gay marriage is sinful.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:04 am to HagaDaga
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No matter what religion you believe in, or don't, your gay marriage is not something that a society can be built on. It's bound for failure 100%.
No one disagrees with that. Not even the gays. But they are a vast minority.
They're gay. They're not going to marry women and raise children regardless of whether same sex marriage is legal or not.
You need to be worrying more about the effect on-line gaming and gambling are having on young men, and soon to be sex bots. Those things will be much more harmful for future society than gay men getting married.
And all of the above are personal choices that should not be restricted by laws.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:05 am to HagaDaga
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So we should have no laws to maintain a civil society. You libertarian anarchist atheists are a sane bunch.
You could move to China. They don't care about individual rights there. They only care about the survival of the state.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:11 am to ole man
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There is nothing in Sharia law that even closely resembles Biblical principals nothing,and if you are being honest with yourself you would understand it, but seeing you're atheist I don't expect a change until you or on your death bed asking God for Forgiveness.
Really?
Both Sharia Law and Biblical principles place a strong emphasis on upholding moral values and ethical conduct. Both systems prohibit lying, cheating, and engaging in immoral sexual behavior. In Sharia Law, dishonesty is considered a major sin, as it undermines trust and the integrity of society.
Similarly, the Bible condemns lying and cheating, emphasizing the importance of honesty and integrity in all aspects of life.
When it comes to immoral sexual behavior, both Sharia Law and the Bible outline specific guidelines and restrictions. Adultery, pre-marital sex, and homosexuality are generally considered sinful in both systems.
The purpose behind these prohibitions is to promote healthy and stable relationships, preserve the sanctity of marriage, and protect individuals from the potential harm associated with promiscuity.
Both Sharia Law and Biblical principles emphasize the virtues of modesty, humility, and avoiding ostentation. Modesty in clothing, behavior, and speech is encouraged to promote a sense of dignity and respect for oneself and others.
In both systems, excessive pride and arrogance are seen as detrimental to the individual’s spiritual well-being and their relationships with others.
Furthermore, both Sharia Law and the Bible discourage the pursuit of wealth and material possessions as the ultimate measure of success. Instead, they promote contentment, generosity, and the sharing of resources with those in need.
This emphasis on humility and charitable giving fosters a sense of community and compassion, reminding individuals of their duty to help and support one another.
Both Sharia Law and the Bible consider charitable giving as a religious obligation. In Islam, the concept of “Zakat” requires Muslims to donate a portion of their wealth to those less fortunate. This act of giving is seen as a way to purify one’s wealth and demonstrate compassion for those in need.
Similarly, the Bible highlights the importance of generosity and helping the poor, with verses such as Proverbs 19:17 stating, “Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward them for what they have done.”
Charitable giving not only benefits those in need but also creates a sense of social responsibility and solidarity within the community. It fosters a spirit of empathy and compassion, reminding individuals of their duty to support and uplift one another, regardless of religious or cultural differences.
Comparison of Sharia to Biblical principles from www.christianwebsite.com.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:45 am to Stinger_1066
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You could move to China. They don't care about individual rights there. They only care about the survival of the state
You could move there as they arent a Christian founded nation.
People, atheist anarchists, like you isn't what the foundation of this nation was built on. It would be a failed experiment if it were.
Get triggered all you want, but this nation was built with fundamental Christian guardrails, so that all citizens can live in harmony, while still having their freedoms.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:57 am to Stinger_1066
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You need to be worrying more about the effect on-line gaming and gambling are having on young men, and soon to be sex bots. Those things will be much more harmful for future society than gay men getting married.
These are all bad things for society. You need to understand that once society starts to knock away at it's core beliefs like abortion, gay "marriage" being equal to Biblical marriage, then the society hits that slippery slope. Then the rest you mention start to get eaten up by Pac-Man hitting that slope.
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And all of the above are personal choices that should not be restricted by laws.
Yes they should be. Just like the vast amount of known addictions we need to not promote. A govts responsibility is to have basic rules/laws to make sure it continues to thrive. It was done for 200yrs to build the foundation of this nation, but in the last 50 we are seeing how it can go wrong.
I know you aren't a Christian, which is fine though I obviously hope things change for you one day, but Christians are given firm, concrete guardrails to live freely within. Yes we stray outside of them, but we don't have the right to move them outward. We must go back into the same ones. That creates a firm foundation. This nation was built by people who believed in Christianity, and built it around those same guardrails. We have been pushing those guardrails, and adding more lanes. We are seeing the results of where that leads us.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 10:03 am to Stinger_1066
Posted on 3/9/25 at 11:01 am to HagaDaga
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You could move there as they arent a Christian founded nation.
People, atheist anarchists, like you isn't what the foundation of this nation was built on. It would be a failed experiment if it were.
Get triggered all you want, but this nation was built with fundamental Christian guardrails, so that all citizens can live in harmony, while still having their freedoms.
I'm not the one who is triggered. OP is triggered by legalization of same sex marriage. It does not bother me in the least.
Why would I want to move to China. I like it here. It is people like you who complain about this country not being a Christian theocracy that need to move.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 11:09 am to HagaDaga
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These are all bad things for society. You need to understand that once society starts to knock away at it's core beliefs like abortion, gay "marriage" being equal to Biblical marriage, then the society hits that slippery slope. Then the rest you mention start to get eaten up by Pac-Man hitting that slope.
1 - I am anti-abortion.
2 - you must have missed my post earlier in this thread where I said the state needs to stay out of the marriage business. That marriages should be left to the churches to define. You may need to go back a page or two.
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It was done for 200yrs to build the foundation of this nation, but in the last 50 we are seeing how it can go wrong.
The Founders did not outlaw consumption of alcohol. How is abuse of alcohol any different than abuse of any other freedom? But we allow it, but not other things that can be used in moderation, but also abused.
You sound like a socialist with all your talk about the greater good of society. America was built by people with independent spirits, not those who wanted to control how others live.
Should sex bots be outlawed?
Posted on 3/9/25 at 11:12 am to ole man
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This ain’t close to any thing the Bible in the Bible dude, but you are free to believe what you will
I provided a source that was written by one of your fellow Christians that explained all the similarities.
You would love to enact Bible-based laws that would restrict the behavior of all Americans, wouldn't you? That would be no different than Sharia.
You are a socialist at heart.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 11:33 am to Stinger_1066
I take you didn’t read the link. That’s ok brother. At the end of the day I know where I’m gonna be. What about you
Posted on 3/9/25 at 12:10 pm to LRB1967
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My congregation is very conservative and takes a dim view of homosexuality but other parishes are more accepting. It seems that as Christians we are not on the same page.
That's because some denominations and even churches with denominations are straying... trying to appeal to the world... to be of the world, not just in the world.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 12:52 pm to ole man
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At the end of the day I know where I’m gonna be. What about you
If you know, then I know.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 2:06 pm to Stinger_1066
Based on your current state of mind. You we aint gonna be in the same place.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 4:40 pm to ole man
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Based on your current state of mind. You we aint gonna be in the same place.
I didn't imply that. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
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