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re: Fundamentally Speaking, are There Any Industries That Should Be Not For Profit?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:33 pm to AggieDub14
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:33 pm to AggieDub14
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Healthcare is expensive because of insurance companies trying to meet their bottom line and Malpractice costs
No, healthcare is expensive because the demand for healthcare in the US is incredibly high.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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But as of late, contract defense firms have become an option and often cost less.
They are also scandal ridden and corrupt to the core.
Who knew that having no accountability would lead to problems?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:34 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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No, healthcare is expensive because the demand for healthcare in the US is incredibly high.
Serious queestion- do you have any stats to back up the ratio of doctors to patients raising the price of their services?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:34 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Yeah but it’s not fair that he gets to have a nice car and a bigger house than you. So he is the enemy.
The CEO making a really nice salary is meaningless when that salary is 0.0000001% of that organization’s operating expenses.
It’s a world view based on jealousy and ignorance and an unwillingness to be accountable. It’s sad. And it’s small
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The military, law enforcement
You’re confusing size with efficiency
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and first responders
Not government
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:35 pm to AggieDub14
This is a terrifying question. Putting private industry into government hands is the essence of Marxism.
There are government functions and private functions.
Public functions should be not for profit. Police, roads and military come to mind.
Private services are best administered privately. Even charity. I cannot think of one private industry that government can do better.
I believe in the Jean Valjean theory of charitable works. When Jean Valjean stoke the silver from the church and the priest vouched for him. . . He asked . . . What do I owe you? The priest said: to be a good man.
Governments can’t demand such things. And they shouldn’t be able to if we are able to remain free.
There are government functions and private functions.
Public functions should be not for profit. Police, roads and military come to mind.
Private services are best administered privately. Even charity. I cannot think of one private industry that government can do better.
I believe in the Jean Valjean theory of charitable works. When Jean Valjean stoke the silver from the church and the priest vouched for him. . . He asked . . . What do I owe you? The priest said: to be a good man.
Governments can’t demand such things. And they shouldn’t be able to if we are able to remain free.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You could make the argument healthcare should be as well, but that discussion usually causes this place to melt down on both sides
Nearly every medical advancement since Herodotus has been profit driven.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
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They are also scandal ridden and corrupt to the core.
Link?
Are the instances of “scandal” higher on a per capita basis than the US military?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:36 pm to AggieDub14
Declaring something a right, special interest, or under the jurisdiction of government, doesn’t mean scarcity and the laws of supply and demand cease to exist.
All people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know what you need to live? Food. One kind of health care is being able to be fed. Since you know, you’ll die pretty quickly without food. You know how much worse the world would be if Wall Street no longer had the ability to make money off of food?
You don’t need to imagine. You have proof of it.
Boris Yeltsin went to a grocery store in Clear Lake, Texas and discovered that himself
LINK
The average Texas suburbanite has a wider choice of food that the head of the USSR.
If you want to make an argument for regulations, fine. I might even join you in the support of some. However, to not recognize what the profit motive does for good makes you ignorant. It’s sad people are still making these arguments. It’s a complete failure of our education system.
All people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know what you need to live? Food. One kind of health care is being able to be fed. Since you know, you’ll die pretty quickly without food. You know how much worse the world would be if Wall Street no longer had the ability to make money off of food?
You don’t need to imagine. You have proof of it.
Boris Yeltsin went to a grocery store in Clear Lake, Texas and discovered that himself
LINK
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"Even the Politburo doesn't have this choice. Not even Mr. Gorbachev," he said. When he was told through his interpreter that there were thousands of items in the store for sale he didn't believe it. He had even thought that the store was staged, a show for him. Little did he know there countless stores just like it all over the country, some with even more things than the Randall's he visited.
The average Texas suburbanite has a wider choice of food that the head of the USSR.
If you want to make an argument for regulations, fine. I might even join you in the support of some. However, to not recognize what the profit motive does for good makes you ignorant. It’s sad people are still making these arguments. It’s a complete failure of our education system.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:37 pm to Lsujacket66
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Healthcare being for profit is what leads to innovation
Product demand and R&D is what leads to innovation. How many innovations came from the not private space program?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is not true. Profit is what the company makes after paying its people. People who work for non profits still draw a salary. Please dont do this BS. I'm asking a serious question here.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
These companies are built on fooling people though. Its disgusting.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:39 pm to AggieDub14
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I never said make labor free. You dont understand what not for profit means. They would charge just enough to cover overhead and nothing more. Pay for labor and materials and real estate costs.
MD Anderson, a state institution, is non profit. Do you think it follows that business model?
This post was edited on 2/24/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
You’ll need to clarify your question: there’s not a 1:1 relationship between the ratio of doctors per 100,000 and price. There’s a lot more variables than that.
But ultimately, I don’t think you’ll find many healthcare economists who disagree with the notion that outsized demand for healthcare services is the ultimate driver of cost. Curbing that demand has generally been demonstrated to be the only serious way to mitigate that upward price pressure.
But ultimately, I don’t think you’ll find many healthcare economists who disagree with the notion that outsized demand for healthcare services is the ultimate driver of cost. Curbing that demand has generally been demonstrated to be the only serious way to mitigate that upward price pressure.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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Are the instances of “scandal” higher on a per capita basis than the US military?
Let me put it to you this way. If a defense contractor murders a foriegn civilian on foriegn soil, what American law is he subject to?
If an American soldier/sailor/marine murders a foriegn civilian on foriegn soil, what American law is he subject to?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:40 pm to AggieDub14
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These companies are built on fooling people though. Its disgusting
And people wonder why the NPC meme has caught fire.
You are just throwing out vague talking points without absolutely zero evidence in support.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:Holy shite dude. What do you think causes someone to conduct R&D when they see a demand for a product?
Product demand and R&D is what leads to innovation.
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How many innovations came from the not private space program?
1. A whole lot of people made huuuuuge profits off the space program
2. That was a false demand not driven by an economy and once the sole customer took away that false demand innovation ground to a halt.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:41 pm to AggieDub14
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You dont understand what not for profit means. They would charge just enough to cover overhead and nothing more. Pay for labor and materials and real estate costs. But no stocks and no CEOs making 7 figures in these specific industries. Limit salary to 200% of the national average.
Non-profits don’t operate like this.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:41 pm to AggieDub14
prostitution/whore industry?
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:42 pm to AggieDub14
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Profit is what the company makes after paying its people.
No. Profit is what the people who took the financial risk and made the personal sacrifices necessary to provide salaries of the people who work for then company earn.
I cannot believe I watched the Berlin Wall fall and there are dipshits alive who still don’t understand that communism is impossible and evil. Yes. Evil. It is evil to ignore the individual dignity of any human being, which is what every single solitary Marxist Structure does.
This post was edited on 2/24/19 at 12:43 pm
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