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Freedom of the Press
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:42 pm
Everyone agrees it’s a fundamental right, but what is less agreeable is the definition of “press.” At what point does an organization devolve from being an esteemed member of the press (say, the BBC) into an agreed upon source of fabricated reporting (the National Enquirer)? Is there something in our Constitution that says those categories can’t be fluid? In other words, what would stop the National Enquirer from having a change in business model and becoming a credentialed member of the White House Press Corps? Likewise, at what point would CNN become so unreliable that they get relegated to National Enquirer status? In my view, rights don’t exist in a vacuum. They entail responsibilities. And if CNN has abandoned any responsibility to truthful reporting, how can anyone say they should have more “freedom of the press” than, say, Playboy Magazine?
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:44 pm
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:44 pm to RedStickBR
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Likewise, at what point would CNN become so unreliable that they get relegated to National Enquirer status?
I would say the National Inquirer is a more credible news source than CNN.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:48 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
I would have already banned CNN if it were me.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:49 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I would have already banned CNN if it were me.
Yep.
Not only are they fake news, they are the media arm of the DNC. CNN can go frick themselves.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:52 pm to RedStickBR
Frick the press
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:55 pm to Wild Thang
Okay, but if CNN are the media arm of the DNC, are Fox the media arm of the RNC?
What kind of test should there be to ensure an organization meets the minimum requirement to be considered one of those to whom “Freedom of the Press” applies when it comes to things like White House access?
If C-SPAN has a change in direction and decides they’d like to start covering Bigfoot sightings a bit more, at what point would we as a society decide that they should no longer be considered a member of “the press” insofar as political reporting goes?
What kind of test should there be to ensure an organization meets the minimum requirement to be considered one of those to whom “Freedom of the Press” applies when it comes to things like White House access?
If C-SPAN has a change in direction and decides they’d like to start covering Bigfoot sightings a bit more, at what point would we as a society decide that they should no longer be considered a member of “the press” insofar as political reporting goes?
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:57 pm to RedStickBR
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Freedom of the Press” applies when it comes to things like White House access?
Freedom of the press has nothing to do with access..people are, have always been and should always be granted White House access purely based on the whims of whomever is in charge.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:59 pm to RedStickBR
In the First Amendment, the founders used the word "press"... that was new technology, printing press, where mass distribution of information was possible. Several founders owned printing presses.
In modern terms, you could substitute "press" for "TV", "Radio", "Internet" and the Supreme Court has upheld this many times.
If CNN wants to call for the impeachment of the president, and uses fake made-up bullshite to justify it, they are totally protected.
They also suffer the consequences of going out of business with the loss of viewers, and potential civil lawsuits for libel, among other things.
And that's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.
In modern terms, you could substitute "press" for "TV", "Radio", "Internet" and the Supreme Court has upheld this many times.
If CNN wants to call for the impeachment of the president, and uses fake made-up bullshite to justify it, they are totally protected.
They also suffer the consequences of going out of business with the loss of viewers, and potential civil lawsuits for libel, among other things.
And that's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:59 pm to RedStickBR
Modern American media is a complete mockery of the term “journalism.” CNN and MSNBC in particular are cesspools.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:01 pm to RedStickBR
CNN had 84 year old Sam Donaldson on this evening. I was working out at the gym and glanced up. Shocked. They are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for people to support media protests against Trump.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:01 pm to RedStickBR
If CNN was the only media source with a left leaning slant I wouldn’t ban them. There are plenty of left leaning media sources that wouldn’t be banned so I am fine with ridding CNN from the scene.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:03 pm to deeprig9
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If CNN wants to call for the impeachment of the president, and uses fake made-up bullshite to justify it, they are totally protected.
They also suffer the consequences of going out of business with the loss of viewers, and potential civil lawsuits for libel, among other things.
Okay, but if Trump decides he’ll never accept another question from Jim Acosta ever again, Acosta would undoubtedly claim a constitutional violation. What makes Jim Acosta any different from Howard Stern? And, if the answer is “he works for CNN,” what would make a CNN who decides to focus on Bigfoot reporting more entitled to Presidential access than a National Enquirer who decides to engage in real reporting?
In sum, we know the rules of the game (namely, freedom of the press is a constitutional right). But what I want to know is ... what are the disqualifications?
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:06 pm to RedStickBR
Free country - all press should be free. Up to us to decipher.
+ you can ask the people themselves with social media
+ you can ask the people themselves with social media
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:12 pm to RedStickBR
I've thought about this issue as well
If I were president, I would let them in but I would never give them the time of day. I would never call on them, I would never address them...
I (if president) would just state for the record one time so all would know the deal:
"When CNN decides to become a real press again, I will address your questions at that time, until, then, you can have a seat, preferable in the back, but for the record this day forward, you will not be addressed by me"
Side note:
Erin Burnett, just yesterday right before break, she listed off 7 negative stories or topics they would address "when we come back" (all of course were negative for the President.
... it's just an action packed day and night of total negativity from these people...
If I were president, I would let them in but I would never give them the time of day. I would never call on them, I would never address them...
I (if president) would just state for the record one time so all would know the deal:
"When CNN decides to become a real press again, I will address your questions at that time, until, then, you can have a seat, preferable in the back, but for the record this day forward, you will not be addressed by me"
Side note:
Erin Burnett, just yesterday right before break, she listed off 7 negative stories or topics they would address "when we come back" (all of course were negative for the President.
... it's just an action packed day and night of total negativity from these people...
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:18 pm to RedStickBR
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Okay, but if CNN are the media arm of the DNC, are Fox the media arm of the RNC?
Not at all.
Many on FNC hate Trump and either host shows or appear regularly.
CNN is a clown show of anti Trump fake news. It’s not even a comparison.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:22 pm to Wild Thang
Right, so you’re implying there’s some sort of standard. I agree. What I’m less clear on is what exactly is that standard, who should enforce it, and how can we ensure those enforcers don’t become conflicted by human bias?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:25 pm to Wild Thang
When you’re called out from across the world...... ya gotta go.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:26 pm to RedStickBR
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What I’m less clear on is what exactly is that standard, who should enforce it,
The public, which based on ratings, let’s you know the verdict.
That said, is your question about how Trump should deal with CNN?
If so, said earlier. I would have kicked Acosta out of the press corps 2 years ago. And told CNN, replace that jackass as you see fit.
ETA: I would judge quality reporting on non 24/7 negativity unless warranted. How many times has Acosta asked about the thriving economy for instance?
That’s blatant bias from him. He is NOT a fricking reporter IMO.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:28 pm to RedStickBR
quote:Pubic perception, plain and simple.
At what point does an organization devolve from being an esteemed member of the press (say, the BBC) into an agreed upon source of fabricated reporting (the National Enquirer)?
That's why the establishment puts so much time and energy into propaganda. If the establishment can get the public to believe CNN is the National Enquiror, then it is.
Likewise, if the establishment can get the public to believe a steaming pile of shite is chocolate pudding, then it is.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:31 pm to RedStickBR
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In my view, rights don’t exist in a vacuum. They entail responsibilities. And if CNN has abandoned any responsibility to truthful reporting, how can anyone say they should have more “freedom of the press” than, say, Playboy Magazine?
This is why libel laws exist.
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