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re: France denies use of its airspace…what if the U.S. did it anyway
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:30 pm to Jbird
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:30 pm to Jbird
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Again they have taken us for granted for decades.
I agree with this & I agree with Trump’s push to hold everyone accountable for defense spending quotas in his first term.
IMO breaking up the alliance risks unintended consequences at global scale and might be an overreaction. Would be uncharted waters post WWII.
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:31 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Is pouring money into an program that will bail on you when you need them actually worth it?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:34 pm to Jbird
Another aspect is that France and Italy have bases in both the Gulf and Horn of Africa. Assuming Spain has at least some sort of sharing agreement because they’ve had anti-piracy missions there before.
If that checks out, the correlation between nations that have made these “no overflight” or “can’t bomb from our soil” statements have assets in drone/missile range is 1:1. They’re just trying to prevent being targeted.
If that checks out, the correlation between nations that have made these “no overflight” or “can’t bomb from our soil” statements have assets in drone/missile range is 1:1. They’re just trying to prevent being targeted.
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:38 pm to Indefatigable
At home and at those bases
They have a muzzie problem and haven't the balls to admit it.
They have a muzzie problem and haven't the balls to admit it.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:40 pm to Covingtontiger77
We shouldn’t violate their sovereignty. But we should also penalize them where we can.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:41 pm to Jbird
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Is pouring money into an program that will bail on you when you need them actually worth it?
On its face no. I just think that’s overly simplified read of the current situation.
The best pragmatic argument I can make is that we’ve seen what happens to our economy when the global economy is stressed. US military backing of a major peacekeeping alliance is in our own direct interest.
Thought this was the best point indefatigable made
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If we wanted NATO or allied cooperation here, we should have consulted with them ahead of time and secured it. They don’t owe us fealty on everything we want to unilaterally do.
The alliance operates on good faith. We aren’t obligated to support offensives of other member nations either.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:44 pm to DeathByTossDive225
With one exception.
Those so called allies aren't trustworthy.
Why tell them your going to whack a muzzie country?
Those so called allies aren't trustworthy.
Why tell them your going to whack a muzzie country?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:44 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Pull out of NATO and Europe entirely, save American tax payers trillions, and let Europe fund their own self defense Let France sustain their own national sovereignty
Even if we did, we’re still stuck being Israel’s cucks.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:51 pm to Jbird
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Why tell them your going to whack a muzzie country?
If you want direct military support from them during the offensive phase, it does make a lot of sense.
I think we trust all the member nations in terms of intel. We were sharing intel prior to the military campaign.
Israel is not a member nation & Netanyahu provided the intelligence that lead to the initial decapitation strike.
That’s the only reason I can think why we wouldn’t have briefed our other allies, because I know they were all looped in up through the point we bombed nuclear sites the first time.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:53 pm to DeathByTossDive225
The Euro countries have suppressed Intel.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:58 pm to Indefatigable
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They’re just trying to prevent being targeted.
Did we launch any attacks from the UAE? Cause they were targeted anyway.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:59 pm to LemmyLives
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Did we launch any attacks from the UAE? Cause they were targeted anyway.
No. But we have bases there and our personnel at those bases are heavily involved in this.
We do not have personnel on France’s bases in Djibouti or the Arabian peninsula, for example.
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