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re: Florida To Begin Sentencing Pedophiles to Death – Democrats Outraged

Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:30 am to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:30 am to
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I’m opposed to the death penalty



I'm not pro death penalty, but I'm not hardcore opposed either.

I think it should be exclusively reserved for politicians.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:30 am to
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So aggiehank do you believe a convicted pedophile should get the DP or LWP. They have destroyed a child's innocence and soul, which most likely leads to a lifetime of issues so shouldn't they pay with their life through either death or jailed for life. State your position.
Philosophically, or legally?

Philosophically, I have no problem with the death penalty in general or with executing child molesters in particular. They are inherently recidivist, and I have seen not evidence that they can be rehabilitated. As such, execution seems efficient. You won't hear the stupid platitudes about the "value of human life" from me.

Pragmatically, I have a problem with the application of the death penalty in this or in any other case, because the simple fact is that the justice system "gets it wrong" all too often. I do not like the notion of executing innocent citizens. Here, that seems to make me a pinko Leftist, which really says more about the speaker than about me.

As to the morons like the Houston guy who are perfectly-willing not only to kill ... but to TORTURE ... a few innocents defendants to get the catharsis of executing a few guilty perps, I have nothing but contempt. A person willing to knowingly torture an innocent person is no less a sociopath than the perp himself. Candidly, removing him from the gene pool would be almost as advantageous as removing the criminal he wants to torture.

As to torturing a PROVEN child molester? Sorry, but no. Even a crime that heinous does not justify state-sponsored barbarism in a civilized society.

Legally, SCOTUS says that it is unconstitutional to execute a child molester who did not kill his victim. //endfile//
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:36 am
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:31 am to
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You will not get a truthful response. I assume that you asked rhetorically.


I like watching Hank tapdance and weave out of making a stance. His use of "what ifs" and "maybe..but" while thinking we can't see through his BS makes me laugh.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:31 am to
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You will not get a truthful response. I assume that you asked rhetorically.
You have the IQ of pocket lint.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:32 am to
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I like watching Hank tapdance and weave out of making a stance.


Every thread.

THe only opinions he holds are legal ones. I don't think he realizes you can form opinions on things that aren't in legal language.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:33 am to
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I like watching Hank tapdance and weave out of making a stance.
By all means, please demonstrate how you think I did this in the preceding post.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:34 am to
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RogerTheShrubber
Roger, I think that you have become more obsessed with me than is little Ooga.

Congrats, I guess.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:34 am to
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to torturing a PROVEN child molester


I can understand that. Would you have an issue with the child molester being placed in Genpop with an announcement made of their conviction?
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:35 am to
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By all means, please demonstrate how you think I did this in the preceding post.


If you actually have to be shown then I seriously doubt you will ever understand.

Normal law abiding citizens with morals and ethics would aggressively defend the child and demand the perps be taken out of society yet you choose to discuss the " ifs, maybe, but what ifs" of a trial. That's not normal behavior.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:38 am to
Hmmmm need to get Biden to visit FL
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:43 am to
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I can understand that. Would you have an issue with the child molester being placed in Genpop with an announcement made of their conviction?
That raises interesting moral and ethical questions.

Empirical evidence shows us that such prisoners generally do NOT survive long in GenPop, but instead get shivved with a quickness.

Morally, can (or "should") the State impose a "de facto" punishment (here, execution) that it is prohibited from imposing "de jure?"

I tend to think "no."

Statistically, child molesters are not violent to other adults, and they do not present much of an escape risk. An argument can be made that they are "victim" as much as "perp," given that almost EVERY child molester was molested as a child himself. Because recidivism is so very high, it IS very risky to release them.

It might make more sense to impose life without parole, segregate them in some sort of medium- or low-security prison environment for the remainder of their lives, and put them to doing some sort of productive work for the State (e.g. making license plates or growing food for other prisoners).
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:45 am to
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Normal law abiding citizens with morals and ethics would aggressively defend the child and demand the perps be taken out of society yet you choose to discuss the " ifs, maybe, but what ifs" of a trial. That's not normal behavior
You think that concerns about imposing the death penalty constitute "tap dancing around the issue," when based upon the (very real) risks of wrongful conviction?

Sorry, amigo, but yours is an emotional reaction.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:45 am to
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Empirical evidence shows us that such prisoners generally do NOT survive long in GenPop, but instead get shivved with a quickness.

Morally, can (or "should") the State impose a "de facto" punishment (here, execution) that it is prohibited from imposing "de jure?"

I tend to think "no."


So you think a child molester, that has killed a child's innocence and spirit" should be protected from other criminals. Now do you see why you are called a protector of groomers...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:48 am to
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Normal law abiding citizens with morals and ethics would aggressively defend the child and demand the perps be taken out of society


Some don't have morals or a value system. Theirs is based solely on public perception.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12186 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:50 am to
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You think that concerns about imposing the death penalty constitute "tap dancing around the issue," when based upon the (very real) risks of wrongful conviction?


You being more concerned about the 1% of wrong convictions while ignoring the 99% of correct convictions is very telling. Saying that a convicted child molester still should be protected from others leads one to wonder if deep down inside you have done something that you think you should be protected from...just my opinion.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:51 am to
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So you think a child molester, that has killed a child's innocence and spirit" should be protected from other criminals. Now do you see why you are called a protector of groomers...
No, I think that it is immoral in the broadest sense for the State to do "de facto" that which it is prohibited from doing "de jure."

Your hypo regarding a child molester in the GenPop is just ONE example of that.

You are basically saying that it was perfectly OK for Solomon to send Uriah to the front with the assault troops and get him killed (and produce a widow Solomon could marry), because Solomon did not TECHNICALLY just take a sword and kill Uriah.

Solomon's actions were immoral, as are the actions that you propose. No apologies for that opinion.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12186 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:53 am to
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Statistically, child molesters are not violent to other adults, and they do not present much of an escape risk. An argument can be made that they are "victim" as much as "perp," given that almost EVERY child


There is no wondering about you now. Child molester as a victim... you're a disgusting POS.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:54 am to
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An argument can be made that they are "victim" as much as "perp,"


No doubt about it now, Hank has admitted his softness for molesters and child rapists.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9167 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:55 am to
Hmmm...was that a threat? "...removing him from the gene pool...would almost serve the same purpose of executing the pedophile. "....because he hurt my feelings.

Never change Hank...you keep revealing more of your "character".
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12186 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:56 am to
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You are basically saying that it was perfectly OK for Solomon to send Uriah to the front with the assault troops and get him killed (and produce a widow Solomon could marry), because Solomon did not TECHNICALLY just take a sword and kill Uriah.


Perfect example of you tap dancing with a pile of jibbersh bullshite.
You think an argument can be made that child molester is a victim. Your words that everyone here sees. F u
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