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Flashback: USC / Haden discriminating against Coach O
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:25 am
West coast “liberals”, are we ready to have a conversation (mainly about conversing and perceptions)
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2019-12-16/watching-ed-orgeron-fight-on-with-lsu-hardest-thing-for-usc
Worth noting he was passed over by an AA AD
Note to all
This is how you overcome bias/racism...
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2019-12-16/watching-ed-orgeron-fight-on-with-lsu-hardest-thing-for-usc
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Column: Watching Ed Orgeron fight on with LSU is the hardest thing for USC and its fans
Louisiana State coach Ed Orgeron celebrates a touchdown from the sideline. Louisiana State coach Ed Orgeron has led the Tigers to a 13-0 record heading into their national semifinal Dec. 28 against Oklahoma.(Jonathan Bachman / Getty Images)
By BILL PLASCHKECOLUMNIST DEC. 16, 20195:32 PM
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Because of his giant lineman frame and emotional sideline demeanor, USC thought he didn’t have the sophisticated appearance of a Trojans head coach.
Because of his deep and sometime unintelligible Cajun voice, USC thought he didn’t sound like a Trojans head coach.
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The school didn’t think he could connect with boosters. It didn’t think he could work the country clubs. And, even though USC never gave him his own coaching staff, it didn’t think he could run a football team.
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Yet he never looked smooth, never sounded executive, he was the anti-Haden, the anti-Sark, and thus became an ex-Trojan. That, and he lost not only to UCLA but also to Notre Dame, and some folks think you cannot hire an interim coach who loses to both in the same year.
Worth noting he was passed over by an AA AD
Note to all
This is how you overcome bias/racism...
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:27 am to ThinePreparedAni
USC would be National Champ contenders every year if they kept O
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:28 am to ThinePreparedAni
Coach O is AMAZING....but would have about as much chance to connect with West Coast Lefty mega donors as Pete Carroll would with us in our state.
Would coach O succeed nonetheless?...likely...but there is a kernel of truth in Haden's statement....although he did not have to be an a-hole about it.
Would coach O succeed nonetheless?...likely...but there is a kernel of truth in Haden's statement....although he did not have to be an a-hole about it.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:29 am to claremontrich
Most important lesson to learn here is that double standards are A-OK.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:30 am to claremontrich
Yeah, because Sark and Helton have done SUCH a good job despite meeting the mold expected of a coach there.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:30 am to ThinePreparedAni
Bunch of arrogant, hateful California bigots. They’ll scream like psychopaths if their coaching staff doesn’t look like a bowl of Reese’s pieces, can’t stand the culture in that gross, trashy shithole
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:30 am to ThinePreparedAni
There were a lot of people against the hire here. His head coaching failure at Ole Miss was much fresher on everyone's minds at that point. I like giving USC shite but discrimination is strictly speculative and he wouldn't have gotten the job regardless of how he talked.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:31 am to ThinePreparedAni
He ain't black.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:31 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Most important lesson to learn here is that double standards are A-OK.
what double standard?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:32 am to eelsuee
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is strictly speculative
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:32 am to ThinePreparedAni
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Haden discriminating against Coach O
Pat Haden is nothing but a wimpier version of Steve Kerr.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:33 am to claremontrich
This. On the west coast, a guy like that would be dismissed as a side show. USC has some seriously snobby alumni, but I believe winning cures all ills. If Orgeron was winning games, they’d find him charmingly bucolic. If he was losing, he’d be an embarrassing backwoods bumpkin. The problem lies if his performance is somewhere in between. A guy like Helton can have a lot more success connecting with those people while producing meh results than Orgeron could if O’s teams weren’t competing for Rose Bowls or playoff spots every year.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:33 am to themunch
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He ain't black.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:34 am to teke184
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Yeah, because Sark and Helton have done SUCH a good job despite meeting the mold expected of a coach there.
They both suck. ...and Coach O would have been a MUCH better hire.
Yet, Coach O is a better fit for an SEC job over the PAC 12. Right? That is not really a controversial stance.
Coach O wooed Joe Burrow with 15 pounds of Crawfish on his first recruiting visit. This was as natural to him as his accent.
Do you think the crawfish would have had the same impact on a visit to a recruit in south central LA?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:36 am to kingbob
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If Orgeron was winning games, they’d find him charmingly bucolic. If he was losing, he’d be an embarrassing backwoods bumpkin.
100% agree with your comment....and to add to this, his leash for a losing streak would be MUCH MUCH smaller than for a traditional west coast coach.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:39 am to claremontrich
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there is a kernel of truth in Haden's statement
Maybe if you don’t understand people or how the world works and think that everyone is an irrational bigot. Les Miles won in Baton Rouge and was beloved despite being from Yankeeville, USA. People who are extremely rich by their own accord are generally down to earth and generally like people who are different and enjoy the novelty of it. Ed Orgeron would’ve been just as well-liked internally and with big donors at USC as he was here, if not more. Pat Haden is a fricking moron
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:40 am to ThinePreparedAni
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The school didn’t think he could connect with boosters. It didn’t think he could work the country clubs.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:41 am to claremontrich
You might be surprised.
I went out for a wedding once in LA along with other family. One of my cousins ended up grilling catfish at the pool party for the happy couple and it was a big hit despite it being out of the ordinary there.
Wasn’t just lily white either, as the bride’s mother had been in the Dodgers’ front office and was friends with a lot of players as a result of various ethnicities.
I went out for a wedding once in LA along with other family. One of my cousins ended up grilling catfish at the pool party for the happy couple and it was a big hit despite it being out of the ordinary there.
Wasn’t just lily white either, as the bride’s mother had been in the Dodgers’ front office and was friends with a lot of players as a result of various ethnicities.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:49 am to claremontrich
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Coach O wooed Joe Burrow with 15 pounds of Crawfish on his first recruiting visit. This was as natural to him as his accent. Do you think the crawfish would have had the same impact on a visit to a recruit in south central LA?
This is taken from Wikipedia
Orgeron took on the added responsibility of Recruiting Coordinator in 2001, and was named assistant head coach in 2003.[6] Orgeron won National Recruiter of the Year honors in 2004, the same year he was hired by Ole Miss to replace head coach David Cutcliffe.
He brought in some pretty good players during those years. I think he connects pretty well with everybody he talks to no matter their station in life.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:57 am to 2 Jugs
He was also a major recruiter and DL coach for Miami in the late 80s / early 90s, including the 1991 title team.
One such recruit on that team was an Afro-Canadian Samoan kid named Dwayne Johnson who played directly under him.
One such recruit on that team was an Afro-Canadian Samoan kid named Dwayne Johnson who played directly under him.
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