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re: Filthy leftist throwing mud at Ron as predicted.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:32 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:32 am to TrueTiger
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If anyone thinks Ron is going to get a softer approach from the captured media there is a rude awakening coming.
That's not the issue. The thing is the attacks don't work against DeSantis like they do against Trump, and for multiple reasons.
1. DeSantis has nowhere near the baggage that Trump does. Trump is hated by the majority of Independents, women, and the country. DeSantis has substantially higher favorability ratings among Independent and suburban voters than Trump does.
2. DeSantis doesn't constantly step on his dick and fall for the media's predictable traps.
3. DeSantis is much smarter and far more articulate. His message discipline is vastly superior - he focuses on the issues instead of repeating himself and saying stupid shite.
4. DeSantis is a much better debater than Trump. He is better at persuading voters who are up for grabs.
The media tried to paint DeSantis as a murderer for 2-3 years and said Florida was a hell-hole. The end result? People from all over the country flocked to Florida, because of his policies. The voters sided with Ron because he was able to point to his record. Trump failed in pointing to his record, and the voters didn't side with him over the media/left in 2020.
The media tried to scare women over abortion and DeSantis being a big-meanie by sending illegals to Martha's Vineyard. The end result? DeSantis won the women vote 53-46. Women sided with Ron because he pointed to his record. Trump failed in highlighting his record and destroying the narratives the left/media threw out there, and thus women rejected him in 2020.
It comes down to the messenger. Romney was a failed messenger in destroying the narratives from the left/media not because of his record and the issues, but because he was too much of a pussy to engage. Trump was a failed messenger in destroying the narratives from the left/media not because he was afraid, but because he didn't do a good job of focusing on the issues and destroying the narratives with facts.
DeSantis isn't afraid of fighting back against the media and he also is successful in using facts to destroy their narratives. He's able to articulate his stances and persuade voters in ways Trump never could.
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:44 am to RammerJammer91
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The thing is the attacks don't work against DeSantis like they do against Trump
Dude.
Half the people still believe that Trump call neo Nazis "fine people".
Half the people still believe that Trump recommended drinking bleach.
These and crap like the peepee tape are complete fairy tales.
The media doesn't need real scandals, they just make shite up.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:46 am to roadGator
And you guys are butthurt about Pronstars and Models but let this slide
Says a lot about the cult
Says a lot about the cult
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:49 am to TrueTiger
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The media doesn't need real scandals, they just make shite up.
Correct, but some people make those easier to stick. They tried to paint GWB as a mean Republican who wanted your grandma to eat dog food, and it just never took. His "compassionate conservatism" just meant government spending, he came across like a decent guy, and the tactic never worked.
When Trump says his more bizarre, juvenile statements, people are much more likely to believe made up garbage. It's just human nature.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:51 am to TrueTiger
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Dude.
Half the people still believe that Trump call neo Nazis "fine people".
Half the people still believe that Trump recommended drinking bleach.
These and crap like the peepee tape are complete fairy tales.
The media doesn't need real scandals, they just make shite up.
Again, the attacks aren't as successful against DeSantis, for the reasons I outlined.
We have proof of that. DeSantis turned a purple state bright red and won the women vote by 7 points. The voters rejected what the media said about him and sided with Ron. In 2020, the voters rejected Trump and sided with the media/left.
That's what happens when you have a good messenger. Trump just isn't a very good messenger. We have proof of that. Good messengers destroy the narratives from the left and get re-elected.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:12 am to Flats
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When Trump says his more bizarre, juvenile statements, people are much more likely to believe made up garbage. It's just human nature.
Spot on. It's pathetic what the media does, but honestly, Trump deserves a lot of the blame for why it sticks. If he stopped saying/tweeting/truthing stupid shite and complete lies these attacks from leftist media wouldn't be working. If he had just shut up and put his phone away after being sworn in back in 2017, he would've won re-election. Might not have won the Popular Vote because of his previous baggage, but he would've done better than 46.86%.
This is the reason why conservatives like us get frustrated by his stupid statements. We're not triggered by them. The reason we're pissed is because every time he says stupid shite, it weakens him in a General Election, if he were to be the nominee, and it turns off voters who would otherwise vote for him. It also makes the entire party look bad.
There's a reason why Trump consistently underperformed other Republicans in suburban counties and was the weak link on the ballot among Republicans in 2016 and 2020. The 5.5 million people in 2016 and 2020 who voted for at least 1 down-ballot Republican but not Trump are NOT Democrats. If they were, they'd vote straight Democrat. Nearly all of them are Republicans and registered Independents (who historically vote Republican). They just hate Trump and are tired of him even though they agree with him on many issues. Trump had the easiest opponent in both elections. Hillary was the most hated Democrat in American polling history and Biden was a 78 year-old racist with dementia. It should've been the easiest race for voters to check the box next to the Republican. Yet over 5.5 million people in both elections either skipped the Presidential race or voted Dem/3rd Party for President. Not only that, they voted Republican down the ballot. That is a HORRIBLE look for Trump.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:16 am to roadGator
If memory serves correctly then Trump is pictured and on vid with Maxwell and Epststein multiple times. Maria Farmer?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:24 am to TrueTiger
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The media doesn't need real scandals, they just make shite up.
I think its more the msm style to take stories from bad sources, don't vet it and pass it on as real news. Then if all goes bad they just blame others outside the news org..
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:34 am to roadGator
Trump is a POS.
This is the exact thing he whines constantly about.
This is the exact thing he whines constantly about.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:40 am to PorkSammich
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This is the exact thing the pro DJT'ers whine constantly about.
How happy are the pro Trumpers over this? Is this what they like to see from a presidential candidate? Is this what they want to vote for?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:15 pm to Fun Bunch
Did he have to be in the race to counter someone who was taking a shite on his head? Trump was attacking him on a personal level. Without even a mild rebuttal from Desantis, a lot of trump supporters believed what trump was saying was the truth and it allowed trump to create and control the narrative regarding Desantis.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:34 pm to idlewatcher
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I think Trump supporters are in for a rude awakening lol melt bitch
This is so good.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:36 pm to RammerJammer91
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The voters who decide elections in the swing/swing-ish states have basically admitted this, whether it be in focus groups or at the ballot box. GA: The suburban voters who voted for Kemp, Raffensperger and the 6 other state-wide Republicans who won but not Walker are never voting for Trump. AZ: The suburban voters who voted for Kimberly Yee and State Legislature Republicans but not Lake and Masters are never voting for Trump. PA: The suburban voters who voted for Congressional and State Legislature Republicans but not Oz and Mastriano are never voting for Trump. WI: The suburban voters who voted for Ron Johnson and Congressional and State Legislature Republicans but not Tim Michels and Daniel Kelly are never voting for Trump. VA: The suburban voters in NOVA, Richmond, and Hampton Roads who voted for all state-wide Republicans in 2021 but not Trump in 2016 or 2020 are not going to vote for Trump in 2024. If Trump is the nominee, so be it. But don't say we didn't warn y'all.
This is the best I’ve seen it articulated.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:41 pm to Tigereye78
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If memory serves correctly then Trump is pictured and on vid with Maxwell and Epststein multiple times. Maria Farmer?
Trump is one of the few elites who eschewed Epstein. He wouldn't even let Epstein into his clubs.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:07 pm to TrueTiger
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Half the people still believe that Trump recommended drinking bleach.
You know why some believe he said that?
Because Trump says a lot of dumb shite and comes across as a buffoon to a lot of those people.
No one would truly believe DeSantis would say anything like that as it would be totally out of character.
It's not out of character for Trump.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:12 pm to Plx1776
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Did he have to be in the race to counter someone who was taking a shite on his head? Trump was attacking him on a personal level. Without even a mild rebuttal from Desantis, a lot of trump supporters believed what trump was saying was the truth and it allowed trump to create and control the narrative regarding Desantis.
"A lot of Trump supporters."
No one else believes that shite.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
Trump isn't controlling any narrative. He just looks like a child throwing shite at the wall when DeSantis ignores him. And as history shows, there is little Trump hates more than being ignored. He'll go too far at some point and DeSantis will goad him into it.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:23 pm to RammerJammer91
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If Trump is the nominee, so be it. But don't say we didn't warn y'all.
frick 'em.
If people want to vote against their own self interest...frick 'em.
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