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re: Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...

Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by JasonMason
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:03 pm to
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He claimed it wasn't about the money, but obviously the being docked portion of the contract WAS the reason he's upset.


Whether you believe him or not, he clarified it wasn't about him but those yet to come up in the movement as he referred to it.

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Then he claimed dailywire is a shill for big tech because Mark Zuckerberg met with Shapiro at some point, yet Zuckerberg has consistently met with all sorts of people and even had dinner with a Trump voting family. Having dinner with Zuckerberg means almost nothing.


I missed Crowder saying this but did read other people stating it. Did Crowder say this in one of the videos?


I think Crowder handled this wrong, but I think DW did too and DW is continuing to make it worse. I've read in this thread that Crowder is creating this drama for content, but the DW seems to be using it as well. Honestly I'm getting tired of this whole dust-up, but I think it's telling how Walsh and Owens have come after Crowder so hard.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:06 pm to
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How does the timing change anything?
are you serious?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:07 pm to
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Explain to me why the deal offered was such an issue
Posted by cssamerican
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:10 pm to
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Mug Club, merchandise, ad reads... He's bringing a big audience of paying fans with him that does not rely on YouTube monetization.

How many of those subscribers are already DW subscribers? You could have massive overlap and in the end Crowder might not bring nowhere near that many additional subscribers to the platform.
Posted by JasonMason
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:05 pm to
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are you serious?


Yes. How does the timing change anything he said?
Posted by JasonMason
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:11 pm to
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How many of those subscribers are already DW subscribers? You could have massive overlap and in the end Crowder might not bring nowhere near that many additional subscribers to the platform.


Why would you assume there is massive overlap? Judging by the social media response the last two days the people in the overlap seem a lot smaller than the pro Crowder or pro DW side.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:11 pm to
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Yes. How does the timing change anything he said?
-Non-binding offer sheet comes in

-Month (Nov) later, he counters. Demands $30 million/yr
-------DW politely declines and wishes him the best

-Couple days later, he participates in the DW election special

-Month later (Dec.) he registers BigCon.com

-Month Later (Jan) he texts Boering to chat. Records and edits for maximum deceptive effect.

-Week or 2 later, goes after DW for the ORIGINAL NON-BINDING OFFER SHEET

How does timing change anything he said? That's how!
Posted by cssamerican
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:16 pm to
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Why would you assume there is massive overlap?
I’m not assuming anything. All I’m saying is there no guarantee there isn’t, so acting like he was going to add 500k subscribers to DW isn’t known.
Posted by Wabbit7
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:21 pm to
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Whether you believe him or not, he clarified it wasn't about him but those yet to come up in the movement as he referred to it.


Brett Cooper did a IG live going over her experience as a DW “young talent” and makes plenty of good points.
Posted by JasonMason
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:22 pm to
This time line changes nothing. He said what he said about the term sheet and the timing of it means nothing. If he says it November does that make it worse or better? What about December? Why would he bring any of that up when he's still under contract from the Blaze?

You're looking at this 100% from the perspective of a DW fan. That's fine. I'm admittedly more of a Crowder fan. I wish he would have done a better job bringing up his complaints and he's at fault here too, but that doesn't absolve all the actions of DW. I'm interested to see what Crowder has to say on Tim Pool's show Monday. I expect Tim to be fair and try and get his side of this. Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters. That's fine.

Crowder and DW both grift off the drama, but that's part of the business of what they do.
Posted by JasonMason
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Brett Cooper did a IG live going over her experience as a DW “young talent” and makes plenty of good points.


I actually want to listen to that. There's a lot of different opinions on this whole thing that I've learned to and the one I've thought was the best do far has been Nick Rekieta's.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:37 pm to
Crowder is throwing a fit because his agent solicited an offer, and the offer he was given asked him to keep doing what he already does.

Theres nothing genuine about his The Movement ™


Simultaneously, DW is running PR.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:37 pm to
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This time line changes nothing. He said what he said about the term sheet and the timing of it means nothing. If he says it November does that make it worse or better? What about December?

Obviously no one is talking about the months on a calendar, it's about the fact he left out the rest of the negotiations and didn't mention in the time he was so offended about the contract, he palled around with the Daily Wire guys
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Why would he bring any of that up when he's still under contract from the Blaze?

Because otherwise, it raises questions: Was he really upset with them the whole time he hung out with them on camera? Or did he decide to get upset later after he came up with a plan?
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that doesn't absolve all the actions of DW

What has DW done that must be absolved other than offer him a contract he thought he must throw a tantrum over?
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I expect Tim to be fair and try and get his side of this. Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters. That's fine.

Crowder fired the initial shot and has responded to Jeremy on video. Why are you acting like we haven't already heard Crowder's side?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:37 pm to
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This time line changes nothing
You are flailing
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You're looking at this 100% from the perspective of a DW fan.
I was a fan of both. Pretty sure I was the first person ever to post Crowder content on this board, several years ago.

Crowder lost me in the last 24 hours.

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Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters.
He gave the timeline of events.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:39 pm to
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What has DW done that must be absolved
What I am waiting to hear
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by Wabbit7
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 2:04 pm to
Andrew Klavan gave his take at the start of Friday’s show and pretty much nailed it I think.
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:52 pm to
People going to bat for Crowder on this seem way out of touch with reality. You're getting caught up in the emotionalism that Crowder wants you to be caught up in, IMO. He is defining the terms in the contract offer as penalties when, in reality, it's just basic business: If you lose money, we lose money, and that means we can't pay you as much.

You don't have to like that reality. It isn't the Daily Wire's fault any more than it's Crowder's fault that big tech censors everyone's content. But if Crowder should get banned, the Daily Wire doesn't want to just pay him whatever he wants to "back him up", as someone else suggested. Because they cannot afford to just pay him as an act of good will. They aren't an NFL franchise. Every single one of those people on DW faces censorship every day, and that makes their business model very volatile, financially. Crowder was set up to make a killing, no matter what, and yet he acts as if some grave injustice has been inflicted upon him.

And he secretly records this guy who is supposed to be his friend, and puts it on youtube? I have to agree with what Shapiro said about this, which is that Crowder had this planned for months as leverage to use against Daily Wire to bring people into his new platform that he's starting up.

Honestly, people need to open their eyes and really think about what Crowder is doing. It's not the least bit noble, from everything I've seen and heard.
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 10:55 pm
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