- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
He claimed it wasn't about the money, but obviously the being docked portion of the contract WAS the reason he's upset.
Whether you believe him or not, he clarified it wasn't about him but those yet to come up in the movement as he referred to it.
quote:
Then he claimed dailywire is a shill for big tech because Mark Zuckerberg met with Shapiro at some point, yet Zuckerberg has consistently met with all sorts of people and even had dinner with a Trump voting family. Having dinner with Zuckerberg means almost nothing.
I missed Crowder saying this but did read other people stating it. Did Crowder say this in one of the videos?
I think Crowder handled this wrong, but I think DW did too and DW is continuing to make it worse. I've read in this thread that Crowder is creating this drama for content, but the DW seems to be using it as well. Honestly I'm getting tired of this whole dust-up, but I think it's telling how Walsh and Owens have come after Crowder so hard.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:06 pm to JasonMason
quote:are you serious?
How does the timing change anything?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:07 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
Explain to me why the deal offered was such an issue
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:10 pm to invidiousEndures
quote:
Mug Club, merchandise, ad reads... He's bringing a big audience of paying fans with him that does not rely on YouTube monetization.
How many of those subscribers are already DW subscribers? You could have massive overlap and in the end Crowder might not bring nowhere near that many additional subscribers to the platform.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:05 pm to Roaad
quote:
are you serious?
Yes. How does the timing change anything he said?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:11 pm to cssamerican
quote:
How many of those subscribers are already DW subscribers? You could have massive overlap and in the end Crowder might not bring nowhere near that many additional subscribers to the platform.
Why would you assume there is massive overlap? Judging by the social media response the last two days the people in the overlap seem a lot smaller than the pro Crowder or pro DW side.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:11 pm to JasonMason
quote:-Non-binding offer sheet comes in
Yes. How does the timing change anything he said?
-Month (Nov) later, he counters. Demands $30 million/yr

-------DW politely declines and wishes him the best
-Couple days later, he participates in the DW election special
-Month later (Dec.) he registers BigCon.com
-Month Later (Jan) he texts Boering to chat. Records and edits for maximum deceptive effect.
-Week or 2 later, goes after DW for the ORIGINAL NON-BINDING OFFER SHEET
How does timing change anything he said? That's how!
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:16 pm to JasonMason
quote:I’m not assuming anything. All I’m saying is there no guarantee there isn’t, so acting like he was going to add 500k subscribers to DW isn’t known.
Why would you assume there is massive overlap?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:21 pm to JasonMason
quote:
Whether you believe him or not, he clarified it wasn't about him but those yet to come up in the movement as he referred to it.
Brett Cooper did a IG live going over her experience as a DW “young talent” and makes plenty of good points.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:22 pm to Roaad
This time line changes nothing. He said what he said about the term sheet and the timing of it means nothing. If he says it November does that make it worse or better? What about December? Why would he bring any of that up when he's still under contract from the Blaze?
You're looking at this 100% from the perspective of a DW fan. That's fine. I'm admittedly more of a Crowder fan. I wish he would have done a better job bringing up his complaints and he's at fault here too, but that doesn't absolve all the actions of DW. I'm interested to see what Crowder has to say on Tim Pool's show Monday. I expect Tim to be fair and try and get his side of this. Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters. That's fine.
Crowder and DW both grift off the drama, but that's part of the business of what they do.
You're looking at this 100% from the perspective of a DW fan. That's fine. I'm admittedly more of a Crowder fan. I wish he would have done a better job bringing up his complaints and he's at fault here too, but that doesn't absolve all the actions of DW. I'm interested to see what Crowder has to say on Tim Pool's show Monday. I expect Tim to be fair and try and get his side of this. Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters. That's fine.
Crowder and DW both grift off the drama, but that's part of the business of what they do.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:32 pm to Wabbit7
quote:
Brett Cooper did a IG live going over her experience as a DW “young talent” and makes plenty of good points.
I actually want to listen to that. There's a lot of different opinions on this whole thing that I've learned to and the one I've thought was the best do far has been Nick Rekieta's.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:37 pm to JasonMason
Crowder is throwing a fit because his agent solicited an offer, and the offer he was given asked him to keep doing what he already does.
Theres nothing genuine about his The Movement ™
Simultaneously, DW is running PR.
Theres nothing genuine about his The Movement ™
Simultaneously, DW is running PR.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:37 pm to JasonMason
quote:
This time line changes nothing. He said what he said about the term sheet and the timing of it means nothing. If he says it November does that make it worse or better? What about December?
Obviously no one is talking about the months on a calendar, it's about the fact he left out the rest of the negotiations and didn't mention in the time he was so offended about the contract, he palled around with the Daily Wire guys
quote:
Why would he bring any of that up when he's still under contract from the Blaze?
Because otherwise, it raises questions: Was he really upset with them the whole time he hung out with them on camera? Or did he decide to get upset later after he came up with a plan?
quote:
that doesn't absolve all the actions of DW
What has DW done that must be absolved other than offer him a contract he thought he must throw a tantrum over?
quote:
I expect Tim to be fair and try and get his side of this. Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters. That's fine.
Crowder fired the initial shot and has responded to Jeremy on video. Why are you acting like we haven't already heard Crowder's side?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:37 pm to JasonMason
quote:You are flailing
This time line changes nothing
quote:I was a fan of both. Pretty sure I was the first person ever to post Crowder content on this board, several years ago.
You're looking at this 100% from the perspective of a DW fan.
Crowder lost me in the last 24 hours.
quote:He gave the timeline of events.
Ben has put their side out and you've decided that's the only side that matters.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:39 pm to efrad
quote:What I am waiting to hear
What has DW done that must be absolved
Posted on 1/21/23 at 2:04 pm to Roaad
Andrew Klavan gave his take at the start of Friday’s show and pretty much nailed it I think.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:52 pm to MasterDigger
People going to bat for Crowder on this seem way out of touch with reality. You're getting caught up in the emotionalism that Crowder wants you to be caught up in, IMO. He is defining the terms in the contract offer as penalties when, in reality, it's just basic business: If you lose money, we lose money, and that means we can't pay you as much.
You don't have to like that reality. It isn't the Daily Wire's fault any more than it's Crowder's fault that big tech censors everyone's content. But if Crowder should get banned, the Daily Wire doesn't want to just pay him whatever he wants to "back him up", as someone else suggested. Because they cannot afford to just pay him as an act of good will. They aren't an NFL franchise. Every single one of those people on DW faces censorship every day, and that makes their business model very volatile, financially. Crowder was set up to make a killing, no matter what, and yet he acts as if some grave injustice has been inflicted upon him.
And he secretly records this guy who is supposed to be his friend, and puts it on youtube? I have to agree with what Shapiro said about this, which is that Crowder had this planned for months as leverage to use against Daily Wire to bring people into his new platform that he's starting up.
Honestly, people need to open their eyes and really think about what Crowder is doing. It's not the least bit noble, from everything I've seen and heard.
You don't have to like that reality. It isn't the Daily Wire's fault any more than it's Crowder's fault that big tech censors everyone's content. But if Crowder should get banned, the Daily Wire doesn't want to just pay him whatever he wants to "back him up", as someone else suggested. Because they cannot afford to just pay him as an act of good will. They aren't an NFL franchise. Every single one of those people on DW faces censorship every day, and that makes their business model very volatile, financially. Crowder was set up to make a killing, no matter what, and yet he acts as if some grave injustice has been inflicted upon him.
And he secretly records this guy who is supposed to be his friend, and puts it on youtube? I have to agree with what Shapiro said about this, which is that Crowder had this planned for months as leverage to use against Daily Wire to bring people into his new platform that he's starting up.
Honestly, people need to open their eyes and really think about what Crowder is doing. It's not the least bit noble, from everything I've seen and heard.
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 10:55 pm
Popular
Back to top
