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re: Female Chopper Pilot's LinkedIn Nuked from space a few minutes ago
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:45 am to Narax
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:45 am to Narax
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She was sitting in the left-hand side of the cockpit with the best visibility of the CRJ approaching from her left.
Do we know that for a fact?
Because that's a stunning revelation.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if the information is correct that she was conducting a check ride, then in all probability she was in the right seat. The pilot being evaluated will almost always fly in the pilot seat while the IP will fly left seat and evaluate.
Seems like there are a lot of fixed wing pilots that aren't aware that the pilot station in a helicopter is the right seat.
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:49 am to Chopper 2
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Seems like there are a lot of fixed wing pilots that aren't aware that the pilot station in a helicopter is the right seat.
Agree, it would be odd to be in the left seat for a check ride. And many don't know the reason why they sit on the right seat in normal ops anyway.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:59 am to Traveler
Why would a pilot with only 500 hours be conducting an evaluation of a pilot with 1000 hours?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 10:28 am to Goforit
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Why would a pilot with only 500 hours be conducting an evaluation of a pilot with 1000 hours?
They weren't. The 500 hr CPT was receiving a check ride from the 1000 hr CW2 IP.
They keep saying that she was the PIC, but the CW2 IP was overall responsible for the aircraft. Whether she was manipulating the controls or not, the IP was the overall aircraft commander. He was responsible for see & avoid.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 10:30 am to Chopper 2
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Whether she was manipulating the controls or not, the IP was the overall aircraft commander. He was responsible for see & avoid.
Thanks.
Who would have been in the left seat? Does that matter? (NVM, see you answered)
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/4/25 at 10:52 am to Toomer Deplorable
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As a followup tho this earlier discussion about whether Lobach was a member of the NG or regular Army, the official Army statement announcing Lobach as the 3rd helicopter crew member confirms that Lobach was regular Army:
Army identifies Third Soldier involved in Helicopter Crash...
…Capt. Rebecca M. Lobach, of Durham, North Carolina, served as an aviation officer (15A) in the regular Army from July 2019 to January 2025. She has no deployments. She was assigned to the 12th Aviation Battalion, Ft Belvoir, Va. Her awards include the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal and Army Service Ribbon.
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, the intial reports I read were not clear on that point.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:01 am to Chopper 2
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Seems like there are a lot of fixed wing pilots that aren't aware that the pilot station in a helicopter is the right seat.
I've never been in the military and I am not a pilot of any kind.
But I have flown in 4-seater helicopters when I was an oil company intern back in the summer of 1982.
The pilot always sat on the right and I would sit in the left seat beside him.
Those bastards were all Vietnam vets and they loved to try to scare the shite out of 22-year-old me while flying over the Gulf of America. We called it the Gulf of Mexico back then.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:04 am to Stinger_1066
What bothers me is WHY was her social media scrubbed before her name was announced?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:33 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Micheal Blackstone
Sweet flightsuit, bro.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:34 pm to vl100butch
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What bothers me is WHY was her social media scrubbed before her name was announced?
You know why
It’s truly unbelievable we will never know this story.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 6:54 pm to Chopper 2
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They keep saying that she was the PIC, but the CW2 IP was overall responsible for the aircraft. Whether she was manipulating the controls or not, the IP was the overall aircraft commander. He was responsible for see & avoid.
I was hoping someone with expertise on these matters would contribute: thanks for your insight and input!
Though a commissioned officer outranks any warrant officer, I assumed that the Chief would have been the command pilot since he was the more experienced pilot and was providing the check flight of Captain Lobach.
Yet I’ve read several news reports which indicate that Captain Lobach was ultimately in command of the Blackhawk on this doomed flight:
For The Army, The D.C. Crash Is The Latest In A Wave Of Troubling Accidents: Crashes of Army helicopters and fatalities are at the highest rates in over a decade…
…It’s unclear yet whether experience or rustiness played a role in Wednesday’s tragedy in Washington.The Black Hawk was flown by Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, an instructor pilot with 1,000 hours of flight time, and Capt. Rebecca Lobach, who had 500 hours and had qualified to be a pilot in command.
Black Hawk crew involved in DC crash made up of 'top pilots' with thousands of hours of experience. The helicopter flight along the Potomac was a routine qualification flight…
…As part of their annual qualifications, all Army aviators are tested on their skills during daylight and nighttime, as well as instrument flying. The evaluated pilot was in command of the flight, but if an emergency was to occur, the instructor would have taken control of the helicopter.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:11 pm to Narax
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Nothing since 2016...
Wonder what happened that year...
Was Duke medical involved with the WuFlu in any fashion?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:18 pm to MasterDigger
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Was Duke medical involved with the WuFlu in any fashion?
I imagine it was more prosaic.
Lobach was around 19 when Trump won his first Election.
She had just gone to college, was getting interested in politics, moving strongly into an anti-Trump camp.
She probably made her Parents regret bringing up Trump around her and they knew that any donation to a Republican would lead to more warfare with their daughter(s).
What we do know is they went from very political to totally apolitical.
Their daughter went from a homeschooling teen talking about God to a Woke Bidenite.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:19 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Yes, during an evaluation she would’ve sat on the right and the IP on the left. Since they only had one crew chief (common with eval flights) the crew chief usually sits on the side of the aircraft of the lesser experienced pilot so he would’ve been in the right as well. Jet approached from left and was descending so the crew chief truly never had a chance to see it as well. I have a background with Army UH-60s.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:46 pm to Stinger_1066
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The pilot always sat on the right and I would sit in the left seat beside him.
The reason the pilot is seated on the right side (single pilot) is because the collective control (left hand) is commonly used on hovering, takeoff, approach-landing. Once airborne, if the collective minimum friction is set properly it should stay in the position desired without dropping or raising on its own.
The cyclic control (right hand) is usually hands on during all phases, unless autopilot is installed and coupled.
From the right seat, the pilot is free to tune the com/nav/radar/lighting,etc with his free left hand.
From the left seat, it would be switching left and right hands on the cyclic stick while tuning, flipping switches with the right hand. Then switching hands back again after. It’s just a lot less workload on normal ops.
There are some exceptions to that configuration, but for most that is why the right seat is set up that way.
eta: sorry for the long post. No short way to explain it
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 8:29 pm to MasterDigger
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Was Duke medical involved with the WuFlu in any fashion?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 8:32 pm to Jetstream 2000
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Jet approached from left and was descending so the crew chief truly never had a chance to see it as well.
And at an oblique angle too.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 6:48 am to Narax
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Their daughter went from a homeschooling teen talking about God to a Woke Bidenite.
Yes. And this is why we must not lose focus on perhaps the most important aspect of this tragic accident: our nation’s military fulfilled it’s sacred duty to provide an important outlet for a young lady to fulfill her dreams of becoming a girlboss. Any questions about this incident beyond that are extraneous.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 6:56 am to Toomer Deplorable
Lobach error
That should be used instead of pilot error now.
That should be used instead of pilot error now.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:50 am to jizzle6609
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Lobach error
And the Lobach Effect, similar to the Streisand Effect, is a corollary.
The Army’s seemingly preferential treatment in “protecting” the privacy of Lobach has not only brought more attention to Lobach’s background, it has fostered suspicions that the investigation may be tainted because the Army is trying to hide something in Lobach’s background.
It is indeed the Army — NOT online speculation — that has politicized Lobach’s background.
The Army’s Special Treatment of Capt. Rebecca Lobach | Favoritism Inevitably Draws Scrutiny: The Army’s Special Treatment of Capt. Rebecca Lobach Fuels Speculation and Dishonors all Who Perished in the Recent DC Air Collision
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On Saturday the U.S. Army released the name of the second pilot—reported to have been pilot in command — of the Blackhawk helicopter that collided with American Airlines flight 5342 over the Potomac River, killing 67 people. This was a marked departure from Army policy that states “Names, city, and state of deceased will be withheld until 24 hours after next of kin notification.”
This was the standard process used to identify the other two members of the Army’s flight crew, Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, and Staff Sgt. Ryan O'Hara. It is the same process used to identify soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan — a process I followed as a military public affairs officer for over 20 years. Army public affairs officials followed the same procedures to publicly identify soldiers who died in not-too-distant helicopter crashes in Tennessee, Kentucky, and Alaska.
Yet, in an unusual deviation, the Army selectively withheld Capt. Rebecca M. Lobach’s identity for an additional two days. When her name was finally released over the weekend, the Army included a family statement of eulogy that praised Lobach and requested privacy. Army officials claim that violating its own rules was done to respect Lobach’s family’s wishes, but that decision casts an unnecessary shadow over her service and memory.
If the Army wanted to lessen the grief suffered by Capt. Lobach’s family, it used the worst tactics possible. Those who deliberately hid, and are hiding, information from public view activated the Streisand Effect, drawing further attention to what they want to hide. Unfortunately, such malpractice is characteristic of the Army’s public affairs apparatus at top levels.
The Army’s public affairs code of "Maximum Disclosure, Minimum Delay" is often cited but never enforced. This is a well-known problem that refuses to self-correct. It will demand attention from the Pentagon’s new leadership to force a solution.
This sets a precedent that will make the jobs of commanders, public affairs officers, and casualty notification officers more difficult going forward. Regulations lose legitimacy when selectively enforced.
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