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re: Federal judge halts deportation of Turkish student from Tufts University
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:42 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:42 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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The government will never offer any specifics.
In these cases they don’t have to
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It will just imply that opposition to Israeli policy is the same as support for terrorists.
That is not what they are implying at all. Support for Hamas however may get you deported since it’s been a designated terrorist organization since the 90’s
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:45 pm to WhatItDo
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30 y/o in college. Her major is in agitation.
Sometimes the ignorance is entertaining.
She is a Fulbright Scholar. She received her Masters at Columbia. She was wrapping up her PhD at Tufts.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:47 pm to troyt37
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Palestinians and Hamas are one and the same. Advocating for economic sanction upon Israel for defending its citizens against the continual attacks of Palestinians is in fact giving aid and comfort to terrorists, whether you choose to recognize it or not.
Just like Germans and the SS.
This post was edited on 3/29/25 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:50 pm to trinidadtiger
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Tufts Universityby trinidadtiger
Bunk,
You do realize that a visa has limited rights in the US, and the govt is well within their rights to search all your social media. I highly doubt she just wrote one innocent paper and was picked up.
Well that's what I'm waiting to find out. So far (and this may change) there's no evidence of anything else.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:52 pm to 14&Counting
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these cases they don’t have to
Which is why it's so important these can go to court. The government can present its evidence of how he's connected to terrorists and then he can be sent away if he's doing something bad or if the government is over enforcing and punishing free speech then the government can be stopped by the court
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:52 pm to 14&Counting
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That is not what they are implying at all. Support for Hamas however may get you deported since it’s been a designated terrorist organization since the 90’s
OK, give me the details on how she supported Hamas. Again, that's the whole point. Under the 1952 law, the Government doesn't have to detail its reasons...the assertion is enough.
I have no problem with the law. It's the PR of this. Criticize Israeli policy = supporting terrorism.
This post was edited on 3/29/25 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:58 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Well that's what I'm waiting to find out. So far (and this may change) there's no evidence of anything else.
You will never see any evidence of anything else.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:58 pm to 14&Counting
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That is not what they are implying at all. Support for Hamas however may get you deported since it’s been a designated terrorist organization since the 90’s
And I'm perfectly fine with that. Additionally, the burden of proof for supporting Hamas is really low. In the case of this woman, where is it? There has to be a twat, a text message, an interview or something out there, someone in the media (left, right or middle) can dig up.
The word of a politician and Government official isn't good enough for me.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 1:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
Who are the “Palestinians” and where are they from? No country named Palestine has ever existed yet we refer to them as a nationality of people. Any other reason for this other than propaganda?
Posted on 3/29/25 at 1:14 pm to Pandy Fackler
I’m perfectly fine with deporting mooslims for any and every reason
Posted on 3/29/25 at 1:17 pm to Diego Ricardo
Meanwhile the people you vote for activity try to jail and ruin conservatives for what they deem hate speech. You people are truly bat shite crazy
Posted on 3/29/25 at 1:23 pm to CDawson
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Who are the “Palestinians” and where are they from? No country named Palestine has ever existed yet we refer to them as a nationality of people. Any other reason for this other than propaganda?
What term do you want to apply to the people displaced in the Palestinian Mandate when Israel was declared a state?
Posted on 3/29/25 at 1:36 pm to trinidadtiger
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I highly doubt she just wrote one innocent paper and was picked up.
This really is the crux of it. Do you give the benefit of the doubt to the government or to the person.
The answer is habit forming.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 2:07 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Well that's what I'm waiting to find out. So far (and this may change) there's no evidence of anything else.
You will never see any evidence of anything else.
Well if we never see any evidence from the government that she supports Hamas, then there probably is none. The evidence the government would collect would be the same sort of evidence the media would collect. The burden of proof for supporting Hamas is very low, it wouldn't be a state secret or something an intelligence agency would have to provide.
The proof would come in the form of the same sort of information the media could find (left, right or center). It would be a twat, an interview, a video clip or sound bite. Maybe a text exchange. Finding proof of her Hamas support would be really easy. If the media can't find it, then it probably doesn’t exist.
What I've learned though, is that when the American Government is playing to an audience (wether it's this government or the previous one) it can't be trusted.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 2:30 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:you're next
Bunk Moreland
Posted on 3/29/25 at 2:37 pm to Pandy Fackler
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There is no pivot. And other than a Government official claiming it (Marco Rubio). There's nothing in that article you linked that says she's done any of the things you believe she's done, nor have we seen any evidence of those things. The only thing we have is Marco Rubio (a politician) accusing her of these things.
Your assertion is that Marco Rubio is simply ordering deportation of students writing op-eds? Is that what you’re going with?
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Maybe the word of a politician is good enough for you, but I've learned enough over the years to know that the word of our Government and the politicians who run it cannot always be trusted.
I clearly am not as learned as you. Tell me, though. Does the Secretary of State have the discretion to revoke a visa for any reason it wants to?
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This new found unquestioned trust conservatives now have in Government officials is moving. I don't share it.
Occam’s razor.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 2:42 pm to Pandy Fackler
I think this is fair from Taibbi.
LINK
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If you’re an immigration lawyer with a sudden influx of clients facing new or exotic problems, please write to taibbi@substack.com. Frustrated by inconsistent coverage, I’m hoping to take a trip to see how programs involving “extreme vetting” of immigrants are being implemented.
An example of how hard it’s become to comment intelligently on the subject involved this week’s viral case of Tufts student Rumeysa Ozturk. This morning’s New York Times story strongly implied Ozturk was arrested by masked plainclothes officers for writing a March 2024 op-ed in the Tufts Daily (an op-ed they didn’t link to, by the way). The sub-headline read:
The Trump administration said she “engaged in activities in support of Hamas.” Her friends and lawyers say all she did was co-author an essay critical of the war in Gaza.
The paper quoted Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who said, “We gave you a visa to come and study, and get a degree. Not to become a social activist that tears up our university campuses.” The Times did not mention Rubio specifically added she’d been detained “not just because you want to write op-eds,” but over vandalism and “that sort of activity.” Even the ACLU’s habeas motion on her behalf ignored the Rubio quote and said “her arrest and detention appear to be based solely on her co-authorship of an op-ed.” Lawyers asserted Rubio “confirmed” she was arrested “solely because of her actual or perceived First Amendment activity.”
None of this makes what the administration is doing right, but shows how difficult it is to work out what’s going on. Rubio implied vandalism, harrassment, and other offenses in the case of Ozturk (and as many as 300 other “lunatics” whose visas he said his office has revoked), but it’s unlikely we’re going to get specific allegations in most of these cases. The Department of Homeland Security did give a statement to The Guardian that said “DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans.” Still, what constitutes “activities in support of Hamas”?
Is it deportation over an op-ed, or throwing someone out for other reasons, under a Bush-era law that allows the state to do so without much due process? There are degrees to things, unfortunately not clarified by coverage. Also, what other types of immigration cases are popping up, and how different are they from previous eras? If you’re in the field, please advise. I’m likely headed to Louisiana soon, but I’m interested in any case that will help elucidate these issues.
LINK
Posted on 3/29/25 at 2:53 pm to Bunk Moreland
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None of this makes what the administration is doing right
There is no right or wrong. The administration has a right to control visas and they are acting in their authority to control who is in the US.
Posted on 3/29/25 at 2:56 pm to ned nederlander
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This really is the crux of it. Do you give the benefit of the doubt to the government or to the person.
The answer is habit forming.
Who do I trust the least? The United States Government and the politicians who represent it, or the Palestinian woman who has beliefs I disagree with?
Posted on 3/29/25 at 3:08 pm to The Boat
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There is no right or wrong.
Not a big philosophical or ethical concepts I take it?
quote:I would say that's probable. But I think in our country everyone gets the right to a fair trial or should...since it's outside the power of the executive branch to interpret laws, the judicial branch is the obvious place to have it reviewed if someone has an issue with government enforcement of those laws.
The administration has a right to control visas and they are acting in their authority to control who is in the US.
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