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re: FCC to free Internet From Obama's “Net Neutrality” Rules
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:25 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:25 pm to ProjectP2294
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Yeah, free us from that oppressive legislation that stops us from being screwed 37 ways from sunday by our ISPs
And your trust in government not screwing you comes from where, exactly?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:25 pm to Centinel
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Why not? The wire providers do the same. Wireless providers most certainly are ISPs. To say other wise is bullshite.
Not all wired providers have data caps.
Its not a feasible long term solution for most and has extreme limitations. Unless you live somewhere a line can't be ran then getting satellite internet is stupid.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:25 pm to Centinel
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Wireless providers most certainly are ISPs. To say other wise is bull shite.
Okay, wireless providers are ISPs. They ARE NOT realistic, primary solutions for home broadband access.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:26 pm to Dirtman16
Nothing about the FCC regulating the internet as a utility will improve competition.
Again---the local governments and state governments are the governments that limit competition and create ISP monopolies. Attack them
(How stupid was it to say wireless providers do not count?? Give me a break. Of course they count and wireless is only getting faster. Hughes Net I will add is available everywhere as an alternative to the the wired ISPs. It's service is much better than it used to be and is fast enough now to stream videos and play games.)
Again---the local governments and state governments are the governments that limit competition and create ISP monopolies. Attack them
(How stupid was it to say wireless providers do not count?? Give me a break. Of course they count and wireless is only getting faster. Hughes Net I will add is available everywhere as an alternative to the the wired ISPs. It's service is much better than it used to be and is fast enough now to stream videos and play games.)
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:27 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Its not a feasible long term solution for most and has extreme limitations. Unless you live somewhere a line can't be ran then getting satellite internet is stupid.
I'm talking about Verizon, TMobile, etc. Not Hughes Net.
ETA: He was stated data caps and data throttling. Just about all wired providers do one or both. There a few exceptions like AT&T, but even they require either a 30 a month fee or bundling other services.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:27 pm to Dirtman16
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They ARE NOT realistic, primary solutions for home broadband access.
Why?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:27 pm to Centinel
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I'm talking about Verizon, TMobile, etc. Not Hughes Net.
ok so cell data that's still not feasible for a long term solution by using your phone as a hot spot of tethering it.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:29 pm to biggsc
People make it sound like the ISP will frick you. And maybe they will. But if I was a provider , I would gladly keep things as they are. If every other person wants to start slowing and restricting sites, I'll open it wide up and every person will be on my service.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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ok so cell data that's still no feasible for a long term solution by using your phone as a hot spot of tethering it.
MiFi. CradlePoint.
I can keep going.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:30 pm to bonhoeffer45
You obviously do not have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:31 pm to Centinel
quote:Cox implemented their data cap only months ago. Most ISPs have had "soft" caps for years, where they would send out letters asking users to upgrade their service. Many have switched to hard caps with overage charges recently. Uverse has a data cap of 300GB, 600GB, or 1TB depending on level of service, which they started enforcing with overage charges last year. Comcast has a 1TB cap. I believe Charter/TWC has to wait 7 years before enforcing data caps again as a condition of the merger.
Where?
What ISPs now have a data cap that did not already have a data cap policy in place?
What rock do you live under where data caps aren't a thing?
quote:Mobile is a whole different beast.
Hell Verizon ended theirs due to pressure from TMobile.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:32 pm to Tigers0891
And that is exactly why competition is the answer!
These whiners that want federal agency regulation are crazy. They will not get the service they want and they will limit their choices.
These whiners that want federal agency regulation are crazy. They will not get the service they want and they will limit their choices.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:32 pm to I B Freeman
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Again---the local governments and state governments are the governments that limit competition and create ISP monopolies. Attack them
This is a straw man argument. Even so, I agree with you that competition should not be limited by state and local governments.
Just be aware that the telecoms that favor this non-enforcement of net neutrality also try to limit municipal broadband roll-outs and other forms of competition at the state and local level that will shrink their profits.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:32 pm to Korkstand
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What rock do you live under where data caps aren't a thing?
I never said they aren't a thing. I said they aren't a new thing.
They aren't. Which is why your original comment was wrong.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:33 pm to rintintin
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But methinks the Fed govt will get their filthy paws much more into it. They always do
They are, but you are just so turned around that you see cronyism and rent-seeking, which is what the Trump Administration is setting out to regulate the space for, as reducing the government footprint positively.
They passed legislation earlier this year to make it easier for ISP’s to sell your data without your consent. Now they are using repeals of regulation to give them more revenue streams at the expense of consumers and digital companies. The constant is the catering to the ISP’s bottom line. Regulation and deregulation. But since this market space is already in oligopoly and monopoly territory in many regions, deregulation serves their interests the most. Since it takes off the shackles that prevented even more of this rent-seeking phase they have entered. That part of a busIness life cycle where they seek to grow the company and revenue not by beating their competition, which they have little, or by offering better products, since consumers have little alternative choice, but by squeezing people on both sides for more money.
It’s rent-seeking cronyism distilled.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:33 pm to Dirtman16
Its clear many on this board do not understand why this is even a discussion.
Streaming services have severely cut into cable companies profits because they are offering services for a small fraction of what the cable companies charge. These cable companies are so large and powerful, they are able to buy lobbyist and push this political agenda to get their way. Cable companies will absolutely throttle their competing streaming services unless you pay more, much more.
Its like your electrical company charging you more per watt for your refrigerator because it is a GE, and your electrical provider owns Samsung.
Whats next? Is water going to be opened up to the free market and traded on wall street? "Yeah we're in a drought, my water bill was $2000 last month."
Streaming services have severely cut into cable companies profits because they are offering services for a small fraction of what the cable companies charge. These cable companies are so large and powerful, they are able to buy lobbyist and push this political agenda to get their way. Cable companies will absolutely throttle their competing streaming services unless you pay more, much more.
Its like your electrical company charging you more per watt for your refrigerator because it is a GE, and your electrical provider owns Samsung.
Whats next? Is water going to be opened up to the free market and traded on wall street? "Yeah we're in a drought, my water bill was $2000 last month."
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:33 pm to Korkstand
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Mobile is a whole different beast.
No it's not. They're still ISPs.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:34 pm to Centinel
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MiFi. CradlePoint. I can keep going.
Those still have limitations
Having to use Mifi spots and having customers aka flag officers bitch about them isn't fun
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:34 pm to I B Freeman
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And that is exactly why competition is the answer!
There is barely any competition now. Regulation won't make that worse.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:36 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Those still have limitations
Gig fiber has limitations. It's not 10Gig.
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