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re: FCC to free Internet From Obama's “Net Neutrality” Rules
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:07 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:07 pm to I B Freeman
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How many providers do you have available to you today compared to 10 years ago??
I live in a town with only one feasible ISP
AT&T doesn't even bother upgrading their service here and Cable One runs the show.
Hell they even offer Gig service, but its $175 a month and still has a data cap
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:08 pm to jawnybnsc
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Having the internet under Title II regulation is a BAD IDEA. I don't care what you call it, or what you think the consequences will be. This was a power play by The Feds in order to get their hooks into the internet and to exercise control over it. The rest of this crap about ISPs charging this or charging that is scare tactics put out by statists who will say anything to justify their power grab.
Just wow! And just how exactly have "The Feds" exercised control over the Internet in the last years that this policy has been in place?
The real answer to this problem is for Congress to pass legislation that requires ISPs to treat all traffic equally (subject to reasonable management practices). Then the FCC won't have any control over it. We all know that's not going to happen though (thanks telecom lobbyists).
Requiring ISPs to do this is not government control over the Internet. They are not telling ISPs which site to prioritize or get rid of. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:09 pm to I B Freeman
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BS I know government regulators limit competition.
The ISPs are CRUSHING any possible competition.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:09 pm to SG_Geaux
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The ISPs are CRUSHING any possible competition.
there is no free markets in the ISP world.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:13 pm to Korkstand
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Now data caps are becoming the norm, which is a less direct (though still very effective) way to throttle streaming services.
Where?
What ISPs now have a data cap that did not already have a data cap policy in place?
Hell Verizon ended theirs due to pressure from TMobile.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:14 pm to OMLandshark
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This word is meaningless given that I have seen no evidence besides this buzzword that it would increase competition. I have 5,000 reasons why it wouldn’t.
BS---just how would regulating the internet as a utility serve you better??? They will actually have the power to determine who you buy service from.
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What evidence do you have to say this when it’s looking likely that AT&T is about to buy Time Warner? 30 years ago there were 50 major media companies, and now there are only 6. You’re talking out of your arse.
the content business and the ISP business are two different industries although companies like ATT and Time Warner are in both.
While there were many "major" media companies some years ago and now they are consolidating does not mean there less media providers. There are hundreds of thousands more media/content providers today than there was 20 years ago. Everybody seems to be getting into the media business.
How many ISPs are available to you today compared to 10 years ago??
There is no question the monopolies in the ISP business are disappearing.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:14 pm to I B Freeman
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BS I know government regulators limit competition. I know local governments collect franchise fees from providers. I know right of ways are controlled by local governments or electric companies. I know electric companies are prohibited in many instances from getting into things like the ISP business in spite of their natural advantages of infrastructure.
Just in what reality do you live in to think that bureaucrats are going to advance competition
Actual reality. You live in some fantasy land where Standard Oil was right around the corner from naturally collapsing so let it be. The Potomac river would clean itself up in the 50’s and Reagan could just ignore the acid rain problem and the market would fix itself.
That through some alchemist magic and fairy dust that there are these billion dollar start ups with the power and willingness to build entire infrastructure in podonk towns to give you cheap unthrottled internet.
All of which doesn’t actually make the case as to why ISP’s in the interim should be able to lay waste to the competitive neutrality of the internet to set up rent seeking relationships to extort their customers and the major players in the industry.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:14 pm to SG_Geaux
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The ISPs are CRUSHING any possible competition.
That's what happens when they can buy off state and local politicians to create near-monopolies.
Net Neutrality does nothing to address this. In fact being regulated under Title II is another regulatory burden that the current big ISPs have the money to handle but startups do not.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:15 pm to biggsc
TRUMP! 
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:16 pm to Korkstand
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This is nowhere near a complete solution. Not only can your ISP determine that you are using a VPN and throttle that connection, but most have already implemented the end-around defense and set up data caps.
I have spectrum and run vpn at the router level, so all of my traffic is encrypted. I have zero issues with speed or throttling. So unless they plan to throttle/shape all encrypted traffic (which they won't) then I'm not worried about it.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Is that a federal government issue or is that an issue with our local government? Has your town granted an exclusive license on cable? If so you should be against that. Has your state limited the activities of your electric utility? If so you should be against that. Has your town limited access to right of ways?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:17 pm to Dirtman16
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Just wow! And just how exactly have "The Feds" exercised control over the Internet in the last years that this policy has been in place?
Well to be fair it's only been in place a very short period of time.
If this is simply a law to prevent ISP's from throttling speeds, AND ONLY THAT. Fine.
But methinks the Fed govt will get their filthy paws much more into it. They always do.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:18 pm to SG_Geaux
Wrong. That is simply not true.
Two of the fiber businesses in our town didn't exist 10 years ago. ATT and Charter have been here for decades.
Two of the fiber businesses in our town didn't exist 10 years ago. ATT and Charter have been here for decades.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:20 pm to I B Freeman
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How many ISPs are available to you today compared to 10 years ago??
Go to this site and see how many areas have 3 or more wireline broadband providers. It's basically big cities in the east and California. Everyone else is screwed. Even the map for two is bad.
And don't count wireless providers. They're not really providers when they have data caps or restrict your speed after a limited amount of use.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:21 pm to I B Freeman
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There is no question the monopolies in the ISP business are disappearing.
Centurylink JUST bought out Level3.
Comcast bought out Time Warner Cable. Well tried to.
Cox got to be where they are by buying out others.
Spectrum was a merger of TWC, Brighthouse and Charter
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:21 pm to rintintin
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But methinks the Fed govt will get their filthy paws much more into it. They always do.
Yeah, but there's just no real way for them to do that. They don't have federal agents sitting at the ISPs offices telling them what to let through their systems.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:22 pm to I B Freeman
Once again the members of the dumbest board on the planet continue to support the dumbest board due to blind hatred of the black dude. If there was ANYTHING in his presidency that deserved some sort of praise and support sans bin laden it’s this.
TLDR: if obama would have tried this y’all would be having a fricking fit
TLDR: if obama would have tried this y’all would be having a fricking fit
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:22 pm to Dirtman16
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Just wow! And just how exactly have "The Feds" exercised control over the Internet in the last years that this policy has been in place?
Exactly. The government is the incompetent stoner, but these dumbasses are thinking it would be a better idea to take the precious pooch that is the internet from the incompetent stoner and leave it in the care of the crocodile, the lion, the boa, the tiger, the bear, and the dingo, also known as the Big Six. Oh wait, they’re ripping it apart pretty instantly.
So much for the competition when they’re just dividing the corpse among themselves. Why would they rip the internet apart? For the same reason a bear shits in the woods: it’s in their nature. They will certainly do it.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:23 pm to Dirtman16
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And don't count wireless providers. They're not really providers when they have data caps or restrict your speed after a limited amount of use.
Why not? The wire providers do the same.
Wireless providers most certainly are ISPs. To say other wise is bullshite.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:23 pm to olddawg26
That is complete, utter BS.
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