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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:41 am to
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36272 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:41 am to
Sounds like the free market taking care of itself. Which will continue to happen despite your fear mongering. Once again why should illegal streaming be treated the same as legal content? How is the ISP not a co conspirator if they do not treat known illegal content differently?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 11:42 am
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39446 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:42 am to
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You seem to be missing the point. If the FCC had that authority, under the law is it is, without Title 2 classification, the republican proposal would have never existed. That it was proposed, indicates that the FCC does not have the authority.



Good lord you are fricking dense. The republican proposal was to give them the authority to enforce those rules as they would be federal law. How many times do I have to say that? That proposal, also stated outright they wouldn't have the authority to re-classify broadband as Title II. How are you not getting this? So, we achieve the "fairness" rules everyone wants withe the FCC being granted congressional authority to enforce the rules, all while preventing them from being able to re-classify broadband as title II. Everyone wins. So naturally the Dems hated it.

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You're acting like the FCC should operate based not on the actual law, but under your delusions of what the law should be.



Okay. So, even though I've shown the process for how it was attempted to grant the FCC the authority to enforce such rules, all while avoiding Title 2 re-classification, I'm operating under a delusion? All I've done is state what literally happened.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 11:44 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:42 am to
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Don't waste your time. These people believe they are entitled to any media for free.


I mean. It's very odd.

Why "should" I have to pay more for an LSU-Bama ticket than a ULM, Arky St ticket?

Why "should" I have to pay more for gas at a remote gas station than at one in the middle of town?

I don't even know how they think "should" applies here.

And, they ONLY seem to see 1st order consequences.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133401 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:43 am to
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Most people don't have the choice to just move to a different provider when their options are limited.
Total bullshite.

Someone posted a link yesterday in one of these NN threads from the 2010 census that showed 97% of households in the U.S. had access to two or MORE ISPs. And that was 7 years ago. There are 7 residential and 4 commercial ISP providers in Baton Rouge.

Your statement is wrong.

If you truly believe killing the government regulation known as net neutrality will cause ISPs to make exorbitant profits, then you're a complete idiot if you don't immediately buy as many shares of T, CMCSA, VZ or GOOGL as you can afford. Borrow money to buy those shares if you have to. Then just sit back and rake in the money.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:44 am to
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Maybe providers should expand their packages at a reasonable price point.

Another nonsense term.

Your anti-capitalistic colors are showing.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:44 am to
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Sounds like the free market taking care of itself. Which will continue to happen despite your fear mongering


There is no free market with ISPs

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Once again why should illegal streaming be treated the same as legal content? How is the ISP not a co conspirator if they do not treat known illegal content differently?


For one American ISPs have no reach when a majority of streams are coming from a different country. They can block the ports but that becomes a whole different issue.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:45 am to
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Total bullshite. Someone posted a link yesterday in one of these NN threads from the 2010 census that showed 97% of households in the U.S. had access to two or MORE ISPs. And that was 7 years ago. There are 7 residential and 4 commercial ISP providers in Baton Rouge. Your statement is wrong.


You still think using cell data is a feasible fixed internet solution
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:46 am to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:19 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:46 am to
Except when you look at actual broadband service, 90% of Americans have 1 or fewer options. That starts to look like a monopoly huh?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:46 am to
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You still think using cell data is a feasible fixed internet solution
You still don't understand the meaning of the word "competition".

Oh. And for a great many customers, cell data is absolutely fine.

It isn't for you.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36272 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:46 am to
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For one American ISPs have no reach when a majority of streams are coming from a different country.


Still haven't answered.
So the us based illegal streaming. Why should they treat that the same? Are they not co conspirators?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39446 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:47 am to
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You seem to be missing the part where that proposal isn't the law. You may wish it were; I wish it were.

The fact is that it IS NOT THE LAW. What part of that are you having trouble with?


What the hell are you even talking about? I've never once argued it was the law. Are you just trying to move the goalposts now, because you are now trying to make a point to something I never once argued.

This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 11:48 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:47 am to
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There is no free market with ISPs
Repeating a falsehood for hundreds of pages doesn't make it not a falsehood
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:47 am to
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Another nonsense term. Your anti-capitalistic colors are showing.


It shows the consumer if not happy with the availability of certain content, will find other ways to obtain it.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:47 am to
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Still haven't answered. So the us based illegal streaming. Why should they treat that the same? Are they not co conspirators?


Most US based illegal services get shut down
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:48 am to
Stating something is a falsehood based on your simplistic view of what a monopoly is (per the thread last night), doesn’t make it correct.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:48 am to
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It shows the consumer if not happy with the availability of certain content, will find other ways to obtain it.


"Hey, that dude broke in to Best Buy and stole 5 flat screens. It shows that if the consumer is unhappy with the options provided, he will find another way to obtain it!!!!"



Good lord man.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:48 am to
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Stating something is a falsehood based on your simplistic view of what a monopoly is (per the thread last night), doesn’t make it correct.


Agreed.

The fact I'm correct makes me correct.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:50 am to
That fact that I have truthiness on my side makes what I say truthy.

Do you agree that large telecoms conspire through various government entities to control the ability of new competitors to enter the market for high speed internet service?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:51 am to
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You still don't understand the meaning of the word "competition". Oh. And for a great many customers, cell data is absolutely fine. It isn't for you.


The two are not competition

Cell data after 15-20GB gets degraded big time.

The avg house burns through 15-20 GB in no time. Like 4-10 hours.
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