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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:02 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:02 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:11 pm to culsutiger
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abuses by the government are a potential, but so far nonexistent, problem.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:17 pm to culsutiger
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Do you have to try to be so dishonest or does being a piece of shite just come naturally to you?
Awww... dont get angry now
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:17 pm to rocket31
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A cord cutter is not costing an ISP any more to stream games than the 80 year old grandma who just browses Facebook on a nightly basis
A cord cutter who used to buy cable which is the companies primary business is costing the ISP a significant amount.
They have two branches of the same company competing against each other if they continue to provide the service that kills their cashcow. This is one way to have their cake and eat it to. Which since they are a private company I dont have a problem with.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:18 pm to Tigerdev
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So your logical fallacy is to ask me to defend statements I didn't make, reference, or allude to in any way?
Well when you interject on me commenting on the statements that others have made that seems to have the inference that you agree with their statements no?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I'm basing it on how slow these architecture changes have been over the years. I certainly don't think we will see wireless fiber style tech available country-wide any time soon. And even if we do data needs are still rising logarithmically.
What are you basing this on?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:56 pm to RebelExpress38
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This is government creating a solution to a problem government created.
I can't believe more people don't see this for what it is.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:58 pm to Adam Banks
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A cord cutter who used to buy cable which is the companies primary business is costing the ISP a significant amount.
They have two branches of the same company competing against each other if they continue to provide the service that kills their cashcow. This is one way to have their cake and eat it to. Which since they are a private company I dont have a problem with.
Thank you for making an argument why data caps do nothing to improve the network, thus making them bullshite.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:04 pm to stat19
This whole thing has gotten ridiculous. ISPs should treat all web traffic the same. End of story.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
When did I say they improved the network? I've maintained that they are a deterrent from abusing one service of a company to out the other out of business and that I have no problem with a company recouping their profits
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:24 pm to Adam Banks
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When did I say they improved the network? I've maintained that they are a deterrent from abusing one service of a company to out the other out of business and that I have no problem with a company recouping their profits
The problem is ISPs and even some people on here, who have them claim it’s for the good of the network. Them allowing certain services not counting against the cap also proves their claims are bullshite.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:28 pm to Adam Banks
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deterrent from abusing one service
How is using a service you paid for consider "abuse"
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:38 pm to jeff5891
The vast majority of cord cutters use illegal streams/someone's access code to access content that would only be accessed by paying customers of a cable provider. That is abusing a service provided by an ISP.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:44 pm to stat19
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NN must die.
So you enjoy the idea of paying to use sites that are currently free like TD?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:45 pm to Masterag
Yeah I hate to go back to paying for TD like I did in 2015...oh wait fear mongering
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:53 pm to Adam Banks
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The vast majority of cord cutters use illegal streams/someone's access code to access content that would only be accessed by paying customers of a cable provider. That is abusing a service provided by an ISP.
There are already legal avenues for cable companies to take action for that.
A quick googled reddit thread explaining how most people already understand how this works:
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Whatever point you are making here, it isnt a good rationale for not needing net neutrality. I mean remember, after all, the Trump administration signed into law the ability for our ISP's to track, collect and sell your data. If they think you are using it for illegal activities they can get in trouble for, they have legal avenues in all 50 states to terminate your account and even bring legal action.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:58 pm to SoulGlo
Any one that wants the FCC to treat the internet as a utility is a fool. They obviously do not remember $1 per minute long distance, three broadcast TV channels and censor boards.
If you fear throttling you should be for less government barriers of entry to the ISP business not more. Tell your states to do away with restrictions on electric utilities that prevent them from being in the ISP business. Tell your city officials to stop granting franchise like licenses to cable providers. Tell however controls the utility right of ways in front of your house to allow more ISPs along the right of way.
It is a very BIG MISTAKE to allow the FCC to treat the internet as a utility. That authority goes far beyond throttling.
If you fear throttling you should be for less government barriers of entry to the ISP business not more. Tell your states to do away with restrictions on electric utilities that prevent them from being in the ISP business. Tell your city officials to stop granting franchise like licenses to cable providers. Tell however controls the utility right of ways in front of your house to allow more ISPs along the right of way.
It is a very BIG MISTAKE to allow the FCC to treat the internet as a utility. That authority goes far beyond throttling.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:01 pm to LSURussian
Volume is already regulated by ISPs via data caps.
You have no idea what you're arguing.
You have no idea what you're arguing.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:06 pm to Adam Banks
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Yeah I hate to go back to paying for TD like I did in 2015...oh wait fear mongering
You realize ISP's went to court and under oath explained their intention and desire to create and defend policies of paid prioritization and network discrimination? Multiple times.
AT&T went to court and argued for the right to continue throttling and blocking network traffic selectively, which manifested itself in them blocking competing video chat software like Apple's FaceTime to push people into their video chat alternative.
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But sure, no rent-seeking to see here folks..... Now Mr. Pai, would you please put down your obnoxious over-sized coffee cup and overrule states rights so we can charge and hide hidden fees and data caps without pesky state transparency laws getting in our way? After all, every highly functioning consumer market is built on the back of information asymmetry.
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