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re: FBI Director Christopher Wray Pushed To Withhold Exculpatory Evidence In Mike Flynn Case
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:43 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:43 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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I love the man but Trump sure can pick some doozies. He needs to go outside the swamp next time and pick a sharp state or local agency head who is detached from DC.
You are right but Wray was a GOP swamp recommendation and Trump went along with it just to get him through senate conformation smoothly.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:47 am to GumboPot
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You are right but Wray was a GOP swamp recommendation and Trump went along with it just to get him through senate conformation smoothly.
Trump had shitty advice at the start but his main cabinet members have been in place awhile and great lately.
It is hard to get rid of Wray. Could you imagine the squealing? Hopefully something will happen with Durham and Wray's malfeasance in not cleaning up the FBI will somehow become obvious.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:12 am to gthog61
This stock trading biz will get Burr off the senate intel committee. Come fall the GOP picks up a couple senate seats, and Grenell continues to clean up shat, Ratcliffe is renominated for permanent DNI and then the final cleansing will start.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 6:13 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:41 am to WPBTiger
Just read a long and depressing discussion along the same lines from CTH.
Wray Coverup and Barr Impotence
It also covers the sad story of the protection of James Wolfe.
Wray Coverup and Barr Impotence
It also covers the sad story of the protection of James Wolfe.
quote:
I’m not going to repeat all the issues, you can re-read them HERE; however, the baseline is that Wolfe could not be prosecuted without running the risk of collapsing key institutions of the U.S. government. The consequences of a Wolfe prosecution were beyond the capacity of Rod Rosenstein, or the DOJ to handle. There would have been massive constitutional crises created and the literal definition of ‘sedition‘ was at the center of it.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:52 am to IslandBuckeye
When Wolfe was first busted his lawyer wanted to call the senators on the intel committee because it was obvious he leaked that FISA document on orders, not some nonsense about brushing some reporter.
Rosenstein immediately got involved with Liu and the whole thing just disappeared into one lie to the fbi.
Shat is getting so so tiresome.
As far as choices go, Wray sent a rec letter to sally yates when she was nominated to 2nd in command of DOJ. They both were at the same law firm, she is back there now I believe. Trump fires her and then nominates Wray??? That snake sure did not take long to bite back did it....
Rosenstein immediately got involved with Liu and the whole thing just disappeared into one lie to the fbi.
Shat is getting so so tiresome.
As far as choices go, Wray sent a rec letter to sally yates when she was nominated to 2nd in command of DOJ. They both were at the same law firm, she is back there now I believe. Trump fires her and then nominates Wray??? That snake sure did not take long to bite back did it....
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:02 am to IslandBuckeye
Expose and prosecute them based on the truth. If it crumbles it will be rebuilt.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:08 am to WPBTiger
I hope Flynn and his lawyer sue the pants off the FBI to recoup the financial losses heaped
on him from this railroad job, and I hope FBI rats go to jail.
on him from this railroad job, and I hope FBI rats go to jail.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:21 am to Revelator
Revelator,
The thing that is so annoying, if he does sue and win, taxpayers pay for it. I wish there was some way he could personally sue Weissmann and Mueller and ruin them the way they have so many people's lives. Unfortunately thats not what happens in today's America.
Some feel sorry for mueller up there mumbling and fumbling, that POS ruined many people's lives. And the BS about him being a marine has nothing to do with what he has done since then.
The thing that is so annoying, if he does sue and win, taxpayers pay for it. I wish there was some way he could personally sue Weissmann and Mueller and ruin them the way they have so many people's lives. Unfortunately thats not what happens in today's America.
Some feel sorry for mueller up there mumbling and fumbling, that POS ruined many people's lives. And the BS about him being a marine has nothing to do with what he has done since then.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:28 am to trinidadtiger
quote:
The thing that is so annoying, if he does sue and win, taxpayers pay for it
I know, but it’s an afterthought compared to the money being wasted on this virus situation.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:04 am to Junky
quote:
Burn the FBI down
I dont care about everyday agents
Burn. It. Down.
They're the goon squad for federal government, completely unnecessary and their repeated abuse of power warrants dissolution
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:11 am to Revelator
Part of the problem is that Barr and to some extent Wray are stuck with the mess generated by their predecessors.
If you are worried that what they did is bad enough that it would fracture or destroy the public trust of the institution completely, what do you do? Do you look at minimizing their damage and not exposing everything for the good of the institution/people? If you are a true believer in your institution, many times you will see people “fall on the sword” for the betterment of all.
Here Barr knows many people screwed up, but to release all of it would probably erode the trust to the DOJ in a manner that would make prosecution of almost any federal matter for many years an issue. So how do you slay the monster holding Pandora’s box without them dropping it and all the evils inside spilling out?
That is the struggle Barr has as a DOJ institutionalist. The best way to do that is to “freeze” the monster and take away Pandora’s box and then decide if you want to slay the beast or leave them frozen forever.
There is a reason why Van Grack has been left hanging. Why just enough is coming out to kill the charges against Flynn. Drip, drip, drip... Barr is trying to walk the tight rope between the travesty of injustice that the prior DOJ and FBI leadership left him, while trying to keep the institution whole and functioning...
The problem with that is it is almost impossible to do and therefore someone is going to pull the bandaid off and everything will implode. And then Barr will get tarnished with the rest of them.
He is going to be the captain that willingly jumped on a severely damaged sinking ship that is trying to get to the port, not because he wants to save the crew or the cargo or the passenger, but loves the ship itself.
If you are worried that what they did is bad enough that it would fracture or destroy the public trust of the institution completely, what do you do? Do you look at minimizing their damage and not exposing everything for the good of the institution/people? If you are a true believer in your institution, many times you will see people “fall on the sword” for the betterment of all.
Here Barr knows many people screwed up, but to release all of it would probably erode the trust to the DOJ in a manner that would make prosecution of almost any federal matter for many years an issue. So how do you slay the monster holding Pandora’s box without them dropping it and all the evils inside spilling out?
That is the struggle Barr has as a DOJ institutionalist. The best way to do that is to “freeze” the monster and take away Pandora’s box and then decide if you want to slay the beast or leave them frozen forever.
There is a reason why Van Grack has been left hanging. Why just enough is coming out to kill the charges against Flynn. Drip, drip, drip... Barr is trying to walk the tight rope between the travesty of injustice that the prior DOJ and FBI leadership left him, while trying to keep the institution whole and functioning...
The problem with that is it is almost impossible to do and therefore someone is going to pull the bandaid off and everything will implode. And then Barr will get tarnished with the rest of them.
He is going to be the captain that willingly jumped on a severely damaged sinking ship that is trying to get to the port, not because he wants to save the crew or the cargo or the passenger, but loves the ship itself.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:31 am to IslandBuckeye
quote:Thanks for posting this. When I saw this last evening I saw the disclaimer of the denial for Wray. When I was catching up reading this threads OP this morning I couldn't find the denial anyway; and even went back to the federalist article and Wray's name was missing. I barely found FBI legal counsel Dana Boente's name.
Just read a long and depressing discussion along the same lines from CTH.
Wray Coverup and Barr Impotence
It also covers the sad story of the protection of James Wolfe.
I’m not going to repeat all the issues, you can re-read them HERE; however, the baseline is that Wolfe could not be prosecuted without running the risk of collapsing key institutions of the U.S. government. The consequences of a Wolfe prosecution were beyond the capacity of Rod Rosenstein, or the DOJ to handle. There would have been massive constitutional crises created and the literal definition of ‘sedition‘ was at the center of it.
Did the federalist scrub Wray's name because of AG Barr's spox denial?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:34 am to gthog61
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Hopefully something will happen
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:35 am to WPBTiger
Hard not to hire swamp for these positions.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:51 am to IslandBuckeye
This is where I was at before I even read it...
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I suspect the Flynn release today is a consequence of that FISC order and not a sudden change of heart by AG Bill Barr to begin some magnanimous review of a case that he allowed Brandon Van Grack to retain control over…. and did nothing about… for over a year since Barr was confirmed.
I’d be willing to bet a donut on that suspicion.
I’ve had this suspicion for a long time….
REMINDER – United States Attorney General Bill Barr was not around in 2017 or 2018 when the DOJ was faced with the issues resulting from an investigation of intelligence leaks and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) Security Director James Wolfe.
When the prosecution of SSCI Director James Wolfe was being considered, AG Jeff Sessions was recused; the Robert Mueller probe was ongoing; and as a consequence Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and U.S. Attorney for DC Jessie Liu were decision-makers.
I’m not going to repeat all the issues, you can re-read them HERE; however, the baseline is that Wolfe could not be prosecuted without running the risk of collapsing key institutions of the U.S. government. The consequences of a Wolfe prosecution were beyond the capacity of Rod Rosenstein, or the DOJ to handle. There would have been massive constitutional crises created and the literal definition of ‘sedition‘ was at the center of it.
Accepting the 2018 objectives from Rosenstein; and factually I doubt Jeff Sessions would have made a different decision even if he was not recused; when AG Barr takes the helm in February 2019 he is forced to carry-over those same objectives.
In essence, regardless of Bill Barr’s outlook or opinion of what took place, he had no alternative except to defend the previous decisions. As a result Barr has no option except to protect Rod Rosenstein.
If former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe was ever to be prosecuted the same issues that surfaced with James Wolfe would surface again. The actions by DAG Rosenstein in 2017 merged with the objectives of Andrew McCabe at the same time. {SEE HERE}
It can be debated whether Rosenstein collaborated with McCabe purposefully, or whether he was blind to the prior year corrupt activity within the DOJ/FBI and fell into a trap. It doesn’t really matter what Rosenstein’s 2017 motives were; the facts show Rosensteins’ actions facilitated the goals of McCabe and the corrupt actors within the DOJ/FBI.
Those actions had consequences, very serious consequences, and those consequences are what matters.
There is no way of prosecuting Andrew McCabe without putting Rod Rosenstein into the same crosshairs of consequence. {Go Deep} Rosenstein facilitated the FBI operations being run by Comey, McCabe, Baker, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, Pientka and eventually culminating in Robert Mueller, Andrew Weissman et al.
When you truly understand this context you also understand why Joseph Pientka III has a blanket protective order over him. The all-encompassing protective order is as much about preserving and protecting the institution of the DOJ as it is protecting the fulcrum of corrupt activity Supervisory Special Agent One, Joseph Pientka III, represents.
The DOJ had to throw a bag over Pientka or eliminate him. Thankfully, and not surprisingly, they chose the former and now he’s under federal protection; so they can continue the cover-up. If it had been an Obama/Clinton AG, they’d have just killed him.
In 2018 DAG Rosenstein could not prosecute James Wolfe without exposing ‘seditious‘ activity within the U.S. government itself. Not pretend sedition or theoretical sedition, but an actual pre-planned subversive operation with forethought and malice.
Likewise AG Bill Barr could not prosecute Andrew McCabe without exposing the same ‘seditious‘ activity; which also encompasses the activity of Rod Rosenstein. Whether Barr wants to protect Rosenstein is moot; if Barr wants to protect the institutions from sunlight on two years of actual seditious activity, he has to protect Rosenstein.
It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government. [ex. read former questions]
However, that said, now AG Bill Barr is facing a downstream and parallel issue within the prosecution of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. How can Michael Flynn be sentenced for lying to the FBI when the DOJ is necessarily refusing to prosecute Andrew McCabe (at least what has been made public) for the exact same behavior?
Against this dynamic, the DOJ has two options: (Option A) go even harder at General Flynn using additional charges that are not as comparable to McCabe. (Option B) find a way to drop the prosecution.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:54 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
quote:In other administrations they wouldn't be "doozies", they'd be par for the course engaged in their DC games.
I love the man but Trump sure can pick some doozies
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:02 am to laxtonto
There is no tightrope to walk you bring everything out under the previous administration to sunshine and let the chips fall where the Will regarding institutional BS. Otherwise you risk trump losing the election, bad dudes taking over again and things get much worse. Cover up fricks are worse than the original doers. Trump better realize he has a election clock counting down and release the kraken. Declassification time, it’s trump call not Barr
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:02 am to L.A.
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Throw his arse in prison
Time for the 1790's French solution for the Clinton Cabal.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:57 am to IslandBuckeye
DOJ, FBI Officials: Director Christopher Wray Did Not Withhold Brady Material In Mike Flynn Case — ‘Has Been Nothing But Cooperative’
can't find it here...
https://twitter.com/KerriKupecDOJ
this needs it's own thread
Flynn Defense Files Supplement For Motion to Dismiss – New Evidence of Mueller Blackmail Using Threat Against Flynn Jr
can't find it here...
https://twitter.com/KerriKupecDOJ
this needs it's own thread
Flynn Defense Files Supplement For Motion to Dismiss – New Evidence of Mueller Blackmail Using Threat Against Flynn Jr
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:02 am to WPBTiger
wow
so when do the hammers start falling
so when do the hammers start falling
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