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re: Fannie Mae and MBA updated their outlook for the 30-year fixed mortgage rates

Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:46 am to
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13231 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:46 am to
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You could be right. Here's a historical chart of rates. 6% is below average thus far. And if this operates like a heartbeat, they could go much higher, and property values may go much lower?



I find this interesting because it sorta corroborates an opinion I hold.

I think that a lot of the talk around the federal reserve prime rate operates from an expectation set during the Obama and Trump I presidencies for historically low lending rates. The business world and average private citizen has become addicted to "cheap debt" so to speak.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
25824 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:28 am to
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Fannie

Q3 2025 -> 6.3%
Q4 2025 -> 6.1%

Q1 2026 -> 6.0%
Q2 2026 -> 5.9%
Q3 2026 -> 5.9%
Q4 2026 -> 5.8%


All of these are lower than when I bought my house back in 2004. I think my rate was 6.5% back then. People freaking out over rates that are under 7% are just plain dumb.
Posted by MyRockstarComplex
The airport
Member since Nov 2009
5055 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:35 am to
It is arguably still cheaper than renting, especially after the tax deduction.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
19459 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:37 am to

This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 5:53 pm
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59269 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 10:29 am to
What drives mortgage rates? MBS.

What drives MBS? The yield on the 10yr (and vice versa, but usually the 10yr drives MBS).

What influences the 10yr? Demand for US debt. Less demand = higher yields while more demand drives yields down.

So, as the federal government continues to create $1.5T+ deficits and not paying down any debt (ie: debt and the rate of debt growth continues to climb) what mechanisms are expected to come into play to make US debt be attractive enough for demand to increase while supply also increases?
Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
15523 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 10:34 am to
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SDVTiger


Are you a realtor?
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 10:40 am to
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“You can always refi when the rates go down next year”


It's partly true. The hope is that they will eventually go down, but if you wait to buy, you aren't doing yourself any favors as home prices are just climbing year after year. I still don't understand how, as there aren't a ton of new first-time home buyers entering the market.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13231 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 3:05 pm to
I bought my house at the absolute lowest it has been in probably a half century or more. I’m never refinancing for a lower rate (maybe for a reduction of years if it makes sense) and I’m probably not moving until we need less house because getting this much house is much more expensive now.
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 3:07 pm
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13233 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 3:42 pm to
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Nightmare for new buyers, I feel for them.

People need to look back past the last 10-14 years...6% isn't that bad.

The 40 years prior to 2008 were all that and well (18.5%) above that. This is the new, old normal.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143812 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 3:48 pm to
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Slackster lold at me


That clown is wrong about everything.
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