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re: Expose Football players now to prevent problems in fall.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:42 pm to moneyg
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:42 pm to moneyg
quote:My GOD you are an idiot.
moneyg
I am not proposing anything.
I am not “stipulating” anything.
I simply observed that the OP was offering a proposal that sounded ... sketchy, at best.
quote:And I AGREED with this assessment. //facepalm//
But, I'd be willing to be the VERY LARGE MAJORITY would do this based on what we know about this virus and how it impacts young, healthy individuals.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:43 pm to mmcgrath
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Don't you order supplies for a hospital? Like a shipping clerk?
As a Clinical Pharmacist with a B.S. and Doctorate, I would say you could not be more wrong.
But you knew that.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:45 pm to moneyg
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So, the merit of the idea is less important than the optics? Ok.
Are you suggesting organization's are indifferent to perception and pay no attention to optics? Interesting take.
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There comes a point in time (maybe not exactly now) where the OP's recommendation makes a TON of sense. The NBA could implement this and literally have a season in a month. We're talking billions in revenue and salaries for the players at very minimal risk. If the NFL is staring at losing the 2020-2021 season, it would be very smart to offer this option to the players as compared to just cancelling the season.
And yet here we are. Your "no-brainer" of an idea isn't happening. Perhaps that should give you a clue.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:45 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
My GOD you are an idiot.
I am not proposing anything.
I am not “stipulating” anything.
I simply observed that the OP was offering a proposal that sounded ... sketchy, at best.
"sketchy at best"?
You are crawfishing. 
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:46 pm to DougsMugs
Ticket revenue is 75 percent of the money for college football. It’s 15 percent of the money for the NFL. That’s why it doesn’t pay for college to play without a crowd and it does pay for the NFL to play anyway. NCAA has a whole different set of problems that exposing players will not “solve”.
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:47 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:It was not even HIS idea.
Your "no-brainer" of an idea
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:50 pm to Jorts R Us
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Are you suggesting organization's are indifferent to perception and pay no attention to optics? Interesting take.
I'm suggesting that when discussing issues that impact the actual viable existence of a business/program,etc., you shouldn't make decisions based on optics.
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And yet here we are. Your "no-brainer" of an idea isn't happening. Perhaps that should give you a clue.
I think a lot of people are rethinking the strategy that we've undertaken. And, the assumption all along is that we'll get back to "normal" in a reasonable amount of time. If that happens in the short term, this is all a moot discussion.
But, if not, and the NFL season is at risk...and the NBA season is at risk next year, and college football is at risk next year, and what we think we know about this virus hasn't changed as it relates to young healthy people, it would be a monumental mistake not to offer this option to the players.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:52 pm to AggieHank86
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It was not even HIS idea.
You've gone from "terrible idea" to "you're trying to take credit for someone else's idea".
Of course, I haven't done that, but that's not what's important.
You can't see past your nose and have no ability to step out of a paradigm and consider a different course of action.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:53 pm to RollTide1987
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College football can't survive without fans in seats.
Wut? Power conferences live off TV money
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:56 pm to moneyg
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I'm suggesting that when discussing issues that impact the actual viable existence of a business/program,etc., you shouldn't make decisions based on optics.
I trust that the minds running the NFL are looking at the scenarios and weighing the consequences.
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I think a lot of people are rethinking the strategy that we've undertaken. And, the assumption all along is that we'll get back to "normal" in a reasonable amount of time. If that happens in the short term, this is all a moot discussion.
But, if not, and the NFL season is at risk...and the NBA season is at risk next year, and college football is at risk next year, and what we think we know about this virus hasn't changed as it relates to young healthy people, it would be a monumental mistake not to offer this option to the players.
The OP is proposing this happens now. And again, the NFL season is in its infancy. Good luck implementing this idea.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:58 pm to Cosmo
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Wut? Power conferences live off TV money
Especially in the short term where ZERO revenue means shutting down the entire athletic department for many schools.
There are several people in this thread that think that's a better idea than giving players the option of moving forward, salvaging the product and maintaining their scholarship.
The NBA and NFL is a similar discussion...and to me makes just as much sense.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:01 pm to Jorts R Us
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I trust that the minds running the NFL are looking at the scenarios and weighing the consequences.
Then you aren't capable of discussing ideas until they are implemented. I'm not limited in that way. I'm capable of considering ideas, drawing a conclusion, and even being talked out of my ideas if things I haven't thought of are brought up. I can tell you "Optics" isn't one of those.
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The OP is proposing this happens now...
So, if instead of now, he was proposing the end of June so that teams could report to fall camp on schedule, you'd agree with the OP? That's your disagreement?
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:11 pm to moneyg
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Then you aren't capable of discussing ideas until they are implemented. I'm not limited in that way. I'm capable of considering ideas, drawing a conclusion, and even being talked out of my ideas if things I haven't thought of are brought up. I can tell you "Optics" isn't one of those.
Oh, you're limited. You just don't know it.
My point is that you and the OP aren't smarter than the guys running the NFL. I'm sure they have discussed countless scenarios and have outlined the threats to their existence. If it was a "no-brainer" as you claim, why hasn't it been implemented yet?
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So, if instead of now, he was proposing the end of June so that teams could report to fall camp on schedule, you'd agree with the OP? That's your disagreement?
The timeline is part of the premise, is it not? You've also made the threat to the organization's existence one of your main arguments. You're jumping the gun. We aren't there yet.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:11 pm to Cosmo
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Wut? Power conferences live off TV money
Most SEC schools still make the majority of their revenue off gate reciepts and donations.
It will probably change towards the TV revenue side after the new deal.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:20 pm to Redleg Guy
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Ticket revenue is 75 percent of the money for college football
From the article
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be in huge trouble if the games happen without fans in attendance.
According to Darren Rovell, some smaller FBS programs depend on ticket sales for up to 75% of their revenue.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:24 pm to RD Dawg
That includes schools in power 5 conferences. Only about 10-20 schools can survive with no ticket revenue.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:28 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:
My point is that you and the OP aren't smarter than the guys running the NFL. I'm sure they have discussed countless scenarios and have outlined the threats to their existence. If it was a "no-brainer" as you claim, why hasn't it been implemented yet?
My guess is that they've made decisions based on the information at hand, and accepted a certain amount of losses, and that they haven't had to make another decision yet similar to the first.
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The timeline is part of the premise, is it not? You've also made the threat to the organization's existence one of your main arguments. You're jumping the gun. We aren't there yet.
If your only point is that we aren't there yet, I don't disagree. However, with that point, you seem to admit that the OP has merit and that at some point, this should be considered.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 4:01 pm to moneyg
quote:Sweet Baby Jesus, give me patience.
You've gone from "terrible idea" to "you're trying to take credit for someone else's idea".
It IS a stupid idea.
Jorts called it YOUR idea.
I reminded him that the original stupid idea was not your idea.
Posted on 4/20/20 at 5:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Sweet Baby Jesus, give me patience.
It IS a stupid idea.
Jorts called it YOUR idea.
I reminded him that the original stupid idea was not your idea.
You haven't been able to explain why it's a bad idea.
You want to take another shot at it? If the options are nobody plays football this year, or we instead give players the options of becoming infected in an attempt to have a season, why is the latter a stupid idea?
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