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Explain how the ‘Deep State’ was formed?
Posted on 4/15/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/15/18 at 1:57 pm
Was there some grand conspiracy like the Illuminati who controlled people’s brains to elect the current congress?
Or did a large majority of Americans slack off in elections the past decades Leaving politically active Americans with the ablilty to elect ‘ THE DEEP STATE’!!!?
Can someone explain the formation of ‘the deep state’ and then explain how you weren’t a complicit party in its formation?
Looking forward to hear theories from the three stoogies: seldom seen, Jjdoc, ewerreeree
Russian, I threw in some spelling errors so you can participate in this thread too
Or did a large majority of Americans slack off in elections the past decades Leaving politically active Americans with the ablilty to elect ‘ THE DEEP STATE’!!!?
Can someone explain the formation of ‘the deep state’ and then explain how you weren’t a complicit party in its formation?
Looking forward to hear theories from the three stoogies: seldom seen, Jjdoc, ewerreeree
Russian, I threw in some spelling errors so you can participate in this thread too
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:00 pm to Bison
Something
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Deep state
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Deep state
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:01 pm to Bison
If you don't think there is a large element of unelected government intelligence and law enforcement officials that believe that they're above the citizens, you're being willfully obtuse
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:01 pm to Bison
Started with Woodrow Wilson. Has been slowly oozing filth since then.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:02 pm to Bison
Idk. I also don't know exactly how most of our free press became jizz guzzlers for the left... but they sure as shite did.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:02 pm to Bison
quote:
Looking forward to hear theories from the three stoogies: seldom seen, Jjdoc, ewerreeree
Theories? You're giving them far too much credit.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:04 pm to Bison
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Was there some grand conspiracy like the Illuminati who controlled people’s brains to elect the current congress?
Not necessary.
Take a person who believes it is government's job to take care of people.
Give that person a job in government.
Tie that person's livelihood to the operation(not success) of said agency's "objective."
Do this for generations and voila.
These people have to justify their existence as bureaucrats... and to make omelettes sometimes you have to break eggs. They will do what is necessary to perpetuate their own job and the jobs of their friends. After all, it's for the greater good.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:05 pm to Plx1776
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Idk. I also don't know exactly how most of our free press became jizz guzzlers for the left... but they sure as shite did
They are the Left.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:07 pm to Bison
Look at modern America. People care more about the Kardashians and The Voice than what their government is doing on a day to day basis. Second, we have an education system that teaches our kids more about ancillary historical figures than the Founding Fathers and people like Locke, Blackstone and Montesquieu, so our population is historically and politically illiterate. Third, half of our population doesn't vote, and probably 3/4 of the population that does vote shouldn't vote.
It amazes me how people cannot see that there are certain orthodoxies in American politics that remain the same regardless of who's in power. We go to war regardless of who's in office. We love mass surveillance regardless of who's in office. We spend billions on foreign and military aid to Israel and Western Europe regardless of who's in power. We run up massive debts and deficits regardless of who's in power.
All of these orthodoxies make a small number of people (defense contractors, tech companies, lobbyists, etc.) a ton of money. These people in turn get candidates on the ballot and use their donations and support to control them. That is the Deep State: an unelected group of people who actually control public policy on a wide array of issues.
It amazes me how people cannot see that there are certain orthodoxies in American politics that remain the same regardless of who's in power. We go to war regardless of who's in office. We love mass surveillance regardless of who's in office. We spend billions on foreign and military aid to Israel and Western Europe regardless of who's in power. We run up massive debts and deficits regardless of who's in power.
All of these orthodoxies make a small number of people (defense contractors, tech companies, lobbyists, etc.) a ton of money. These people in turn get candidates on the ballot and use their donations and support to control them. That is the Deep State: an unelected group of people who actually control public policy on a wide array of issues.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:08 pm to Plx1776
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I also don't know exactly how most of our free press became jizz guzzlers for the left... but they sure as shite did.
One name: Edward R. Murrow.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:09 pm to Bison
It's a new form of propaganda that gives Trumpkins the ability to ignore any and all criticism of their idol.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:10 pm to Bison
It started at the end of President Eisenhower’s Presidency when he warned JFK of the “Military Indus trial Complex” 
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:11 pm to Bison
There is no deep state.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:13 pm to Bison
People love being victims. Easy to blame someone else for everything.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:13 pm to SoulGlo
quote:Basically this. Its not necessarily some grand conspiracy just a bunch of bureaucrats who believe Trump is bad for their jobs. Around 80% of those employed in government bureaucracies are democrats, so naturally many will work against him from within.
Take a person who believes it is government's job to take care of people.
Give that person a job in government.
Tie that person's livelihood to the operation(not success) of said agency's "objective."
Do this for generations and voila.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:15 pm to Tigerdev
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It's a new form of propaganda that gives Trumpkins the ability to ignore any and all criticism of their idol.
The term pre-dates Trump, and I first came across it reading Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill, two radical leftists who pointed out the pervasive secrecy and unaccountability of the American intelligence establishment, to the extent that operated as an unelected 4th branch of government.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:17 pm to Bison
My definition of the deep state may be a little different than how it’s commonly used here.
Instead of it being some coordinated conspiracy shadow government I think it’s the culture of DC. A group of people who are elitists and out of touch with everyday people who are actually productive. The people inside the federal government and inside the beltway have an extremely over inflated sense of self worth and self importance. They all believe they are changing the world or have more knowledge of how the world works when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. Go eavesdrop on a random conversation at happy hour inside the beltway and you’ll be amazed at the ignorance(hidden by educated speak) that spews from the mouths of the government drones that invest that place. It’s so funny that I pity them to be honest.
That’s why they despise Trump as a whole. He’s the anti-beltway culture man. He’s crass and crude and he doesn’t hide it. He doesn’t play by the established rules of the government culture.
Is there a deep state conspiracy to take down the presidency? Doubtful. But there is a culture that wants him gone and nearly everyone in DC is willing to look the other way or bend the rules for anyone trying take him down.
Instead of it being some coordinated conspiracy shadow government I think it’s the culture of DC. A group of people who are elitists and out of touch with everyday people who are actually productive. The people inside the federal government and inside the beltway have an extremely over inflated sense of self worth and self importance. They all believe they are changing the world or have more knowledge of how the world works when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. Go eavesdrop on a random conversation at happy hour inside the beltway and you’ll be amazed at the ignorance(hidden by educated speak) that spews from the mouths of the government drones that invest that place. It’s so funny that I pity them to be honest.
That’s why they despise Trump as a whole. He’s the anti-beltway culture man. He’s crass and crude and he doesn’t hide it. He doesn’t play by the established rules of the government culture.
Is there a deep state conspiracy to take down the presidency? Doubtful. But there is a culture that wants him gone and nearly everyone in DC is willing to look the other way or bend the rules for anyone trying take him down.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:18 pm to SCLibertarian
It's being used to dismiss all critques, political opposition, or legal issues as a conspiracy. Rather convenient and self-serving wouldn't you say?
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:19 pm to Bison
Basically, it's just a good 'ol boy network conducted on a much larger and profitable scale.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:19 pm to nematocyte
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Theories? You're giving them far too much credit.
Who is “them?
The left acknowledges the deep state as well.
If you don’t believe there are individuals and institutions who exercise power—independent of (and sometimes over) civilian political leaders—you’re misled.
In his 2014 book (National Security and Double Government), Tufts University international law professor, Michael Glennon, observed that Obama had campaigned against Bush-era surveillance and security policies in 2008 but acquiesced to many of them as president—suggesting a national-security apparatus that holds sway even over the elected leaders in charge of it.
Countless examples of the deep state’s existence exist on both sides of the political aisle.
It isn’t a partisan issue.
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 2:30 pm
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