re: Excellent article in The Federalist: "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives"

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People love common movements, to feel part of something. They don't like feeling alone or isolated. The average person will shift with the wind.

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Also, the alternative is corporate monopolies with government protection working in collusion with government, i.e. fascism.

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Rog I posted a label literally posted in this thread

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My apologies.. missed it.

Do I think right-authoritarianism is a threat? Not immediately, but it's growing. Just look at this board/thread.

You can pick whatever label you want. I was using ones posted in this thread.

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Explain to me how this right-populism/Christian nationalism/fascism is any different.

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I cannot explain, SF, because in the interim it will be no different. The Administrative State has assumed great power as it has grown; grown in many ways that benefit all citizens. But that power - as the Founders feared - has corrupted those who wield it in that they now believe and enforce - via State 'Authority' - policy and beliefs that are CONTRARY to those who gave "consent of the governed" in the first place.

Do you really believe that most moral, responsible and loving people should have to get up at 5, put their kids in a day care and go to a job to have their wages confiscated by 'Government' and "spread around" to people who have zero moral or responsible behavior, but can vote subsidies from the 'Government'? Is that Just? Will the 'social contract' endure? And what when these irresponsible people/culture lose all morality, and become in effect heathen (no moral conscience) and a violent curse on loving folk, even believing they are 'owed' subsidies, for whatever reason?

Elitist, Egalitarian 'do gooders'/power seekers who totally forsake any standards of behavior for those whose votes they 'buy' but then threaten with violence (jail or systematic blackmail) those who are moral and responsible are kicking a cottonmouth in a coil. It is hard for me to even believe that it has come to this, as I have lived in times when most ALL people were virtuous and responsible. Minus the few who are always corrupt at heart.

Christian-based Nationalism is what this Nation was formed as, and it is the "A = Again" in MAGA. It is not the Religious face of Christianity, but the Principles therein that brings peace and prosperity to the populous that embraces them. The Founders knew that such Freedom would only work "for a moral and religious (God-fearing) people".

The challenge we now face from God-less, Humanistic (Darwinian, people are expendable as having no divinely created Soul) Marxist Egalitarian Ideology cannot be defeated with votes or overcome with talk because those who subjectively choose and embrace its innate 'morality' (absolute equity) cannot abandon it. Lest they feel dirty and 'sinful'. Feeling counts big time; it IS Life.

This said, our Capitalism/Freedom is fraught with serious problems, IMO. The door that the Marxist stepped into was that our Christianity failed to successfully address the Spiritual/Visionary aspect as such relates to 'Feeling' in life. Jesus charged those who take his offer of Mercy re their 'Judgement' into their next life, to not forsake caring for the "weaker brethren". Consumerism, Idolatry ("worship of things made with the hands"), narcissistic 'status' mind games have created a competitive and mundanely repetitive culture wherein a Vision of Love (Unity) is harmed. One could call that 'sin', but that term comes with baggage. No matter, we pay dearly re Vision and Feeling.

The Marxist have made their move; Government has chosen to override the traditional Christian-based Government, and it will be the dog fight that many on this Board and across the Nation realize that is coming. When one competitor drops the rules, the other either does the same or loses. Christian people are NOT going to hand over their children. Truth be told, many believe that it is Satan at the core of this whole 'Progressive' Movement, and I'm one of em'. Though I do believe that many good folks are deceived by their own good-intentions nature/psyche. We are all living and learning and moving toward the 'education' that will ultimately form our Reality ('Heaven or Hell') Feeling. Good enough for me.

Tigers vs Tide. Somebody will win, the other will lose. Life goes on.

I don't think anything is "permanent", SF. I'd hate to think that I stagnate and do not become a better person with a more profound vision and innate power.

Re the Left taking power, I am undecided as to which 'Side' I believe will take power. My Religious 'bias' inclines me to Prophetic/Eschatological scenarios wherein Collectivists take power and implement Global Fascist Authoritarian Government via access to their 'money system' ("buy and sell") for a short period before it all collapses...and then, after having watched that Video on here (a couple of years back) by some dude named 'John Mark Speaks' titled "Why the Right will win the coming Civil War", of the which I found virtually rock solid.

Re "scarier", I have zero fear. But for what or how I may react, as I am 72 and looking to my next life. I speak in good faith, as a loving and responsible citizen of our Nation, Human Family and my chosen Religion. My 'Religion' is Love with Mercy. I accept the challenge of Evil, as a Believer in the power of Jesus, and realize that it is not what I do in weakness that counts, but what I do in strength. If the Left holds the 'strength', Karma is on them how they use it. My blood will send them to hell, whether they even realize it or not. Like 'Jim Woodford', believer or not, a real 'Judgement' is either there or it ain't. If it ain't, no problem. It it is, problem. Kinda. Thank Jesus.

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Do I think right-authoritarianism is a threat? Not immediately, but it's growing. Just look at this board/thread.

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Who are the authoritarians in this thread?

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Do I think right-authoritarianism is a threat? Not immediately, but it's growing.

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I'm curious.
You reference "right-authoritarianism."
"Right-authoritarianism" is a curious term.

I think you've been a bit hoodwinked by leftist political sociologists, but help me out.
On a 1D left-right progressing scale, with Communism at the far left, what comprises the far right?

.... and where does anarcho-libertarianism fit in?

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Who are the authoritarians in this thread?

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From the article

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it is also the case that to do so on a scale sufficient to save our country will require political power — and the willingness to use it.

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Put bluntly, if conservatives want to save the country they are going to have to rebuild and in a sense re-found it, and that means getting used to the idea of wielding power, not despising it.

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Why? Because accommodation or compromise with the left is impossible.

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The left will only stop when conservatives stop them, which means conservatives will have to discard outdated and irrelevant notions about “small government.” The government will have to become, in the hands of conservatives, an instrument of renewal in American life — and in some cases, a blunt instrument indeed.

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In other contexts, wielding government power will mean a dramatic expansion of the criminal code.

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I mean he even admits this is authoritarianism without the guarantee of relinquishing power after the "victory"

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To those who worry that power corrupts, and that once the right seizes power it too will be corrupted, they certainly have a point. If conservatives manage to save the country and rebuild our institutions, will they ever relinquish power and go the way of Cincinnatus? It is a fair question, and we should attend to it with care after we have won the war.

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Honestly I prefer fascist

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At some point to combat socialism, you need to embrace some fascism

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That's what they'll label you as anyway.

"If you're explaining, you're losing" - rather than failing their shite test "no no you're wrong because of this definition don't call me that actually you are the real fascist".... instead just respond "okay"

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I suppose it depends on what you think is important: playing by the rules you wish were in effect or playing by the rules that are actually in effect.

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Christian nationalism is my preference.

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"Constitutionalist" "freedom-loving"

You all are seriously missing the point of the article on the necessary labels moving forward. Those two are the hallmark bedrocks of the failed conservatism of the last 50 years. They aren't concrete or specific. The time for abstractions is over.

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The social compact is dead. The Constitution has been relegated to nothing more than a dusty piece of a paper. A nice little artifact, maybe they can break it out next time Lizzo is in DC and let her twerk with it between her fat arse.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm just interested in my side winning. I'm cool with doing what it takes to win, as long as it doesn't violate the laws of God. I don't see the need to painstakingly look for reasons we can't do something because we are so principled, while the left tries to castrate our children and steal our sovereignty, and send federal agents after us with flak jackets and high powered rifles all before our very own eyes.

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Preach. To the left, "freedom-loving" means on demand abortion and lewd perversion in the public square. It means free drug use and abuse. It's time to stop talking about freedom and start talking about what we will not tolerate.

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Their philosophy comes from Locke and our constitution. Liberty and property. They are wishing for a world where the government will leave them and their property alone and let them be. It's fantasy. The left has never deigned to just let people be. They will always find a new egalitarian impulse that requires them to keep fricking with you. They aren't going to leave you alone.

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Fascism is a response to overreaching progressivism. Just admit you like the overreaching progressivism.

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That's just by page 3

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I think you've been a bit hoodwinked

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Its a chick.

The language he uses is what's so telling. Its straight out of their playbook.

I don't think he really believes it, he's just testing it out now because people he respect use them. His "muse" was Jersey Tiger, he lost his center when JT stopped posting under than name.

Right wing authoritarianism is decades behind the progressives. But the progressives will destroy themselves, I don't need to.

What I see here is people not having confidence in their own ideologies and thinking the only way to implement is through collective power. Everyone is so worried about the other guy, they have no faith in what they believe.

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Its a chick.

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No. He 100% assuredly is not a chick.