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re: Everything isn't political or social.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:49 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:49 am to oogabooga68
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Will you admit black people are very, very racist on the whole?
No, because that isn't what I've observed. I have met plenty of blacks that are racist, and many that aren't. I have met plenty of whites that are racist, and many that are not.
I'm sure that in certain areas, it would seem that "black people are very racist" just like if you go to certain areas it would seem like white people are very racist.
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:50 am to 4evrlsu
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Do you happen to watch Big Brother on CBS? It’s a perfect example of what it’s come to. 3 black contestants this year. They immediately set out to make the entire game a black vs white issue. No one else did. They did. Teamed up together, made comments about being targeted any time a negative thing happened to them in the game. They were picked for various things because they were black. They weren’t picked because they were black. Ad nauseum. White guilted one guy to the point he wanted to self-evict because of his “contribution to the problem” . It’s a GAME , where the goal is to be the last person standing. Alliances are formed. But the all white alliance was scorned for being racist. However, the 2 black girls formed the very first alliance and called it “black magic”.
The eviction speech by one included the statement that she was there for Brianna Taylor. WTF?!
IT IS A GAME where every single person is given the exact same opportunity to compete for the exact same powers and rewards. Yet they turned it into black vs white. No one else did. Then had a screaming fight because they were picked for eviction. ‘Because they were black’. No, it was because they acted like whiny little bitches with chips on their shoulders who isolated themselves from everyone in the house, looking for any little slight. Said their ‘black girl magic” would go on forever.
Instead of getting in the game, actually earning their place on their merit, they wanted things given to them simply on the basis of their skin color. It just struck me that this is exactly how things do not change. The change has to come from both sides. IMO the “side’ that is stuck in the past are black people. It’s very frustrating when you are someone (me) that actually does not see skin color until you are constantly reminded of it by the very people who don’t want you to see skin color.
While its a Game as you mentioned this is such a great example of what goes on in real-life. It's truly perplexing.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:51 am to FightinTiga
quote:Uhhh, I think it’s even higher than that. Closer to 75% if I’m not mistaken.
65% of black mothers are single parents,that’s the elephant in the room
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:55 am to cardee2003
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What's ironic about my post is that every feels inclined to express how they feel and offer their opinions but no one is inspired to treat their fellow man better. Tough group lol!!!
The thing is that most people here don’t walk out of their door with identity politics on their minds, like the left wingers do. We treat nice people nicely, naturally. Period.
And we eat fish when we catch it.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:55 am to whocares1
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I'm about the same age as you.
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My point is, race relations suck right now, and it's getting worse.
I disagree. In my daily life, I have not seen any indication that race relations have changed at all. Now...is there a clear attempt to force issues between races? Absolutely! But I'm not convinced there is anything real there. This, to me at least, seems like fabricated angst based on what is obviously bad data.
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"White-privilege" pisses me off to no end.
Same.
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So do all of the threads dismissing the "real" protesters because "only 19 people have been killed by police".
Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain this point further?
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Police brutality pisses me off, and is real (but not racial, in my opinion).
Agree, and I've been active in the past when there have been egregious police behavior. One of the things I have to avoid is falling down rabbit holes on YouTube watching videos like that.
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Riots are so f'ed up - burning peoples property is so f'ed up.
100%.
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We have become so divided on a personal level, that it's going to be impossible to fix.
Part of me agrees, but then I really do think that so much of this is just fabricated and people are caught up in emotions. My fear is that without sound arguments and the ability to listen to them you can;t walk the emotional folks back from the edge.
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It used to seem that political lines were only drawn in DC, and that common folks like us were the same, we just had different opinions on how things should be paid for.
Couldn't agree more. That's my take on separating politics and entertainment. While I may disagree with an entertainer on some political issues, it's not enough to force me to stop watching them. That changed with the BLM stuff because I think it goes far beyond a minor political disagreement and closer to an attempt to alter America.
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It is hard to have a civil discussion. Obama was divisive, but so is Trump - and that seems to be okay with people now. It's okay for leaders to divide.
I didn't vote for Trump in '16. Voted Libertarian, so take that for what it's worth. I've never found him divisive so much as a dick. He enjoys poking people for sport. And the left has been up his arse since 2015, so he gives it back. Obama was divisive in a different, more meaningful way I think. I think Trump divides because people who dislike him recoil from his actions. Obama divided for a purpose of creating division.
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I know I ramble, but it's because things are so f'ed up now; it's hard to put a point on it.
I literally can't use Twitter...I write books here.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:56 am to cardee2003
quote:You don’t hear about it because it’s not reported by the fake news media. Doesn’t cause outrage and riots.
Why are we not seeing white men die like George Floyd??? Last time I check, white men resist arrest, fight police, and commit crimes against the police but I have never saw one of them die on Camera from being choked to death. Interesting you think????
You’ll probably be given many examples of whites being killed by police by others. I’m too lazy right now to search and you’re too ignorant to believe the truth.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:57 am to whocares1
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No, because that isn't what I've observed. I have met plenty of blacks that are racist, and many that aren't. I have met plenty of whites that are racist, and many that are not.
Honestly, I've never met plenty of racists regardless of color. Maybe we have differing definitions of racism?
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:59 am to cardee2003
Are you a good dude?
Yes. We cool.
No. No use for you.
Your skin is irrelevant
Yes. We cool.
No. No use for you.
Your skin is irrelevant
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:00 am to shel311
quote:Did they account for prior convictions?
There have been studies on sentencing of black vs white people for the same offense with similar or zer criminal background, and the black dudes get harder sentencing.
Black guy and white guy both are convinced of burglary. Black guy has several prior convictions, white guy has no priors. Who do think gets the harsher sentence?
You’re a dumbass.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:02 am to bhtigerfan
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Why are we not seeing white men die like George Floyd??? Last time I check, white men resist arrest, fight police, and commit crimes against the police but I have never saw one of them die on Camera from being choked to death. Interesting you think????
His name was Tony Timpa.
LINK
Most people have never heard of him. No marches. No protests. No peaceful riots. No murals.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:03 am to Ollieoxenfree99
quote:“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
Racism will always exist. Why? Bc people have a natural instinct for self-preservation. Be it what they see on tv or experience in real life.
What matters is how they act on these instincts or initial thoughts.
-Jesse Jackson
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:04 am to cardee2003
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What's ironic about my post is that every feels inclined to express how they feel and offer their opinions but no one is inspired to treat their fellow man better.
Actually the irony is that that you've pointed out one of the problems in the black Community without realizing it:
You come here, make a sh!tty, passive aggressive post, it doesn't (or maybe actually does) get the response you want, and you blame whitey for it.
I think you should look up the word "ironic".
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:09 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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One thing that rankles me personally is that many black Americans seem to somehow believe their human struggle is somehow more real than the struggle of another person of another race.
People on the right have more self-respect and dignity and take personal responsibility for their shortcomings. To be fair the media/corporations have brainwashed minorities on the left with nonstop bombardment to believe all of their shortcomings are due to victimhood.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:10 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
My opinion based on research is that there is no systemic racism in this country and I use facts to back up my opinion. Let's look at the FBI's own numbers with regards to crime (and I'm only using crime instead of housing, banking etc because this seems to be what people are talking about today): 69.6% of victims were white, 21.6% were black. 53.9% of offenders were white, while 27.4% were black. 69.6% of arrestees are white, while 24.7% were black. So of course more whites will be killed than blacks just based off of simple statistics. But here is where the numbers get wonky. 44.2% of murders are committed by whites while 53.1% are committed by blacks. (The numbers are even more skewed if you look at the under 18 age group) That's an astounding difference based on the fact that blacks make up 13% of the population. The numbers are only out of whack (compared to the population makeup) in murder, suspicion and gambling (who knew). White people do most of the crime and are arrested for most of the crimes (because of population numbers). Black people commit murder, suspicion (what exactly is that?) and gambling offenses (still who knew?) disproportionately to other races but it isn't because of population. What's the cause here? I don't know the answer to that. Blacks make up 33% of fatal shooting victims. But who is doing the shootings? Well according to the murder numbers 53.1% is done by blacks even though they only make up 13% of the population. So my point is that whites commit more criminal activity, and are the victims of more criminal activity and are arrested more, and are killed by the police more. This is all expected. But what isn't expected is the reaction of people who don't take time to learn the facts and actual numbers and instead rely on their "feelings" in order to loot, riot, destroy property and steal all in the name of "systemic racism", that according to the data, doesn't even exist. Racism exists, namely against blacks, whites, asians, hispanics and every other race. That can't be denied. The entire country wishes there were less of it. But the reason we see it more against blacks is because media reports what they want to report. They only seem to write articles online and in papers/magazines that are in line with a narrative that they want to push. That narrative is that blacks are being treated differently because of their skin color. That they are arrested and killed more than white people. It's just not accurate according to the data. They push it and we believe it. We need to stop believing and start looking at the numbers for ourselves. The data doesn't show that at all. The data shows that everything is in line with what we expect, except 3 categories. I've spent the last 21 years analyzing data and I'm fairly confident I've gotten my numbers right since I pulled them from the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics and then analyzed them myself. Please feel free to ask questions if any of these numbers are confusing and I'll try to expound on the data. I haven't broken the data down by state, etc. because that would take too much time. My position isn't to take a side. It's to give you the data and let you form your own opinion as I have (and stated above). Dive down the rabbit hole and see what you come up with. Sorry for the long reply but I like to make my responses as factual and adequate as possible.
TLDR: He's wrong
TLDR: He's wrong
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:12 am to oogabooga68
As long as the problems are being blamed on someone other than the individuals causing them,nothing will change
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:33 am to ABearsFanNMS
quote:And there’s no sentencing guidelines for black vs white.
This is true, crack gets a harder sentence than powder cocaine..
He’s full of shite like his “studies.”
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:36 am to whocares1
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Obama was divisive, but so is Trump
bullshite. Trump fires back, and the left just can’t handle that from a Republican. But there are two MAJOR differences compared to Obama/Hillary/Dem leadership.
1. His jabs are almost always aimed at liberal politicians, not the people who vote for them. I don’t see his twitter unless it makes waves and is posted here, but I don’t think he’s called liberal voters deplorable.
2. If he’s divisive it’s in the political arena, not the racial arena. I haven’t seen anything like “typical black people” come from him. He may be provocative he doesn’t use race. That was Obama.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:43 am to the808bass
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The question is “Is racism in America systemic?”
I believe the answer to that question is “no.”
Do you believe it ever was systemic? If so, when did that stop and what is an appropriate timeline for recovery?
Few examples of systemic racism:
1. Donald Trump said he was calling for a calling for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States..."
2. 1954, President Dwight D. Eisenhower told Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren white Southerners "are not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big overgrown Negroes"
3. MELENDRES V. ARPAIO
4. Traffic stop data shows race is a factor in who gets pulled over and/or searched
There are plenty more.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:45 am to MurraytheDivot
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1. Donald Trump said he was calling for a calling for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States..."
Stopped reading at your first lie....
Try again, alter boy....
Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:48 am to whocares1
None.
It’s too hot right now and my company is extremely “woke”.
It’s too hot right now and my company is extremely “woke”.
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