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re: England lifts ban on fracking

Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:35 pm to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:35 pm to
I posted months ago that Europe (and I include UK when I say Europe) was headed for a problem with heat this winter.
Someone here posted that they are not because they have taken steps to move back to fossil fuels.
It will be interesting to see if those steps are in time.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:37 pm to
The problem is it isn't just as simple as flipping a switch

Even if they want to fire up a few coal generation plants it takes time to do that safely and make sure all of the equipment is ready
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21171 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Someone here posted that they are not because they have taken steps to move back to fossil fuels.
It will be interesting to see if those steps are in time.


They won’t be able to produce their own fossil fuels (at least volumes from this new policy) in time for this Winter.

ALSO…the subsurface in England is much different than the subsurface in the U.S. that is fracked into. Chances are, the specialists in the U.K. still have a bit of work to figure that out onshore.

Their best chance for nearby production ASAP is the North Sea. Other than that, open up them LNG ports.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:40 pm
Posted by The Goon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2008
1238 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

don't understand why environmentalists don't like fracking.


Saudi Arabia paid for a bunch of anti-frac propaganda, which every environmental protester took at face value.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

I posted months ago that Europe (and I include UK when I say Europe) was headed for a problem with heat this winter.


You heard it here first folks!
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:44 pm to
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I don't understand why environmentalists don't like fracking.


It's pretty straight-forward, plentiful, cheap fossil fuels keeps the world using fossil fuels. It's not about the footprint.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112417 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:01 pm to
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You heard it here first folks!


Uh, the point I made was that posters disagreed. Try to read.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162202 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

It's pretty straight-forward, plentiful, cheap fossil fuels keeps the world using fossil fuels.

I'm failing to identify the problem
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:19 pm to
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Now that Queen Elizabeth's funeral is over, King Charles III begins his reign, but replacing the beloved 96-year-old queen will not be easy.

Some of the countries in the British Commonwealth are breaking away now that the queen is gone.

According to USA Today, the alliance contains 56 countries and 2.5 billion people worldwide. Out of the 56 countries in the Commonwealth, 14 countries hold King Charles as their head of state.

Vanity Fair reported that some Caribbean countries are becoming more independent. In 2021, Barbados voted to become a republic, and the queen stepped down as head of state. While Barbados is still in the Commonwealth, it's likely only a matter of time before the country leaves the alliance.

Royal expert Katie Nicholl noted that Jamaica, St. Lucia, St. Vincent, and the Grenadines are considering moving to a republic government.

But there are problems closer to home for the new king. According to The Guardian, the two most popular political parties in Scotland and Northern Ireland are pushing to leave the United Kingdom.

In addition, almost 25% of Wales citizens yearn for independence from Great Britain. Welcome to the big show Charles. But the king's close friend let the public in on the monarch's "absolute preoccupation."
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Grimhorn
Texas
Member since Mar 2018
92 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:50 pm to
@Gumbopot - Not really correct on your lunch-and-learn…. Fracking a horizontal unconventional well - in a shale or “tite” rock - may give you a similar volume if you had fracked 40 vertical wells in the same shale or tite rock… it’s the fracking of the horizontal’s that made these shales worth producing - we had been ignoring them in vertical wells for 100 years as they weren’t cost effective in vertical wells…

In a conventional Resevoir, you will usually get lateral flow of a much further distance from the wellbore (and usually for a much longer period of time and without fracking…)

Unconventionals really won’t work in Europe unless prices stay high for awhile. While we pay, say, $9/MCF, the price in Europe is closer to $45 for the same volume. Main issues with fracking in the EU- lack of water, population density, lack of infrastructure (rigs, fracking equipment, pipelines) and now private subsurface ownership…. I don’t mind a rig and then a compressor in my backyard when I get mailbox money every month…. In the EU, the governments own all the resources below the surface so landowners don’t get squat…

This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 2:55 pm
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

Unconventionals really won’t work in Europe unless prices stay high for awhile. While we pay, say, $9/MCF, the price in Europe is closer to $45 for the same volume. Main issues with fracking in the EU- lack of water, population density, lack of infrastructure (rigs, fracking equipment, pipelines) and now private subsurface ownership…. I don’t mind a rig and then a compressor in my backyard when I get mailbox money every month…. In the EU, the governments own all the resources below the surface so landowners don’t get squat…


Good points...also consider the lack of onshore OFS, sand mining and delivery infrastructure, tubulars which are in short supply here - I can't imagine trying to divert to UK without paying a near prohibitive premium.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 6:20 pm to
LOL....the euros dont like to be cold!

Dumbasses are having to backtrack on all the green energy bullshite! And the USA will end up doing the same thing!
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