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re: Elon and Vivek are right to point out the cultural factors in the visa issue

Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:26 pm to
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Continuing to fail comprehension.


You said it. Not me. I mean, you're wrong, clearly.

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You see to embarrassed to say what score you are so proud of...


You mean mine? Hardly embarrassed. I don't want it to be the focus of this conversation.

I can tell you with certainty that it came from my DNA, because we sure as frick weren't rich, and my parents were typical parents of GenXers. They weren't home to force education. I didn't raise mine that way either, and the lowest IQ among them is in the 130 range.

I mean it is literally genetics. No matter how much you don't want it to be.
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:28 pm to
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I can tell you with certainty that it came from my DNA, because we sure as frick weren't rich, and my parents were typical parents of GenXers. They weren't home to force education. I didn't raise mine that way either, and the lowest IQ among them is in the 130 range.


No no... No hinting, say what your score is...

You wanted to hint at it but you won't say it.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:30 pm to
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The brain is like a muscle. In that the more stimuli and exercise it gets, the more developed it becomes.


Sort of.

Much like any muscle, yours and mine will never look like Schwarzenegger because of genetics. Neither will the 5'2" indigenous Guatemalan man.

It's good that we can bring the pseudoscience in here and debunk it. Imagine thinking your traits are all genetic except for magically somehow your brain.
Posted by RiverCityTider
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:32 pm to
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The problem is that you stereotype them as stupid and then when they come here and easily succeed, they stereotype you (average American) as stupid.


First of all, I'm not stereotyping them as "stupid". And I am actually aware that they outearn every ethnic group in Americs.

The problem is, we are comparing cultures. And that.is a false comparison. If your saying the cuture among the top one tenth of one percent of Indians is superior to the popular US culture, you may be right.

Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:32 pm to
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No no... No hinting, say what your score is...

You wanted to hint at it but you won't say it.


I didn't hint. You brought it up, and I gave you a satisfactory answer.

Making this about me is because you took a very bad position, and are embarrassed at how ridiculous it is now.
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:35 pm to
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I didn't hint. You brought it up, and I gave you a satisfactory answer.

Making this about me is because you took a very bad position, and are embarrassed at how ridiculous it is now.


Yes you did multiple times, but now you are embarrassed to be called out on it.

You mentioned multiple times how "high" your IQ is.

You used this to justify how you didn't need to provide sources but just make claims.

But now I'm calling you out on it and you are too much of a coward to say what that "number is".

You just decided to sacrifice a kid instead... shameful...
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:35 pm to
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That's not accurate. It's not additional pathways. It's an application of some, where others are deficient. Like a bowl of water. If you tip a bowl of water sideways, you have more water on one side of the bowl and less water on the other.

Let's take geniuses. Most commonly, where geniuses gain in smarts, they lack in common sense and/or social skills. Let's take high performing autististics. Where they lack in emotional interpretation/interaction, many excell with mathematics, numbers, and/or pattern recognition.
Or on artful creativity.

This thinking of extra pathways is flawed. It's the brain assigning extra horsepower to one area, while taking that power away from another area.


That magical thinking is not how any of this works. That's almost as wrong as the Nexrad guy.

You don't get extra abilities because you aren't smart. That's what we tell people to help their self esteem. It's not a real thing
Posted by RiverCityTider
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:36 pm to
We should be going after all the legit geniouses in the world just like we did with operation Paperclip.

But hiring an industrial engineer at 30k lower salary than an American is not exactly like landing another Wernher von Braun.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:38 pm to
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You put the KKK to shame


LOL. I haven't said a racist word.

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Those low caste people come here and do quite well.


None of the sub 70 IQ people come here and do well. You are a liar.

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I know some, typically they embrace Christianity and move to America and do fine.


Show me their lowest caste IQ score. Or you're a liar.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:38 pm to
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Show me their lowest caste IQ score. Or you're a liar.


Show me your IQ... Stop hiding behind children.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:40 pm to
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If your saying the cuture among the top one tenth of one percent of Indians is superior to the popular US culture, you may be right.



Lord no. It's still more corrupt than ours, but those people make money and almost never break the law once we get them here, so they're decent citizens.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:40 pm to
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This melt is being led by MAGA diehards
Previously asserted and eviscerated.

Neither you nor any supposed diehards are entitled to the definitions of MAGA. Much as you would like to assume MSNBC's supposed ability to establish Bill Kristol-types as prototypical MAGA, it is no more true of your assumption than of MSNBC's.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 7:41 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:41 pm to
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You don't get extra abilities because you aren't smart. That's what we tell people to help their self esteem. It's not a real thing


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Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:41 pm to
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We should be going after all the legit geniouses in the world just like we did with operation Paperclip.

But hiring an industrial engineer at 30k lower salary than an American is not exactly like landing another Wernher von Braun.


We want those guys too, and we have O class visas for them. We get those rock stars sometimes, but it's easier to catch them early.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:42 pm to
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Show me your IQ... Stop hiding behind children.


Hiding behind children?

What the hell are you even talking about?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:43 pm to
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Neither you nor any supposed diehards are entitled to the definitions of MAGA


Is Laura Loomer MAGA?

Mike Cernovich?

catturd?

Jack Poso?

John Barron?

Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:43 pm to
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Saying that a certain racial/ethnic group has a higher IQ than another is... kinda racist even if it's true.



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See, now this is how actual racism gets confused by facts. Facts are not racist. They are simple truth.


This we can definitely agree on. As long as facts don't get confused by stereotypes. Not saying that you did that. Just saying that some people don't know who they are talking about, and are going off stereotypes.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
3350 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:45 pm to
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Hiding behind children?

What the hell are you even talking about?


You said your child's lowest IQ was 130.

You keep saying that yours is "high", your parents is "high"

But now you decline to say

It's totally in family for you to be so dishonest when confronted
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:47 pm to
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This we can definitely agree on. As long as facts don't get confused by stereotypes. Not saying that you did that. Just saying that some people don't know who they are talking about, and are going off stereotypes.


You can use averages without stereotyping.

You can even stereotype without being racist.

You can't be like Nexrad and say genetics are racist. It's as dumb as being an actual racist.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:47 pm to
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Is Laura Loomer MAGA?

Mike Cernovich?

catturd?

Jack Poso?

John Barron?
Already thoroughly addressed.
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