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re: Elon and Vivek are right to point out the cultural factors in the visa issue
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:36 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:36 pm to BuckyCheese
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Someone made the claim that IQ is a product of environment.
Explain JD Vance with that in mind.
IQ has a large environment component.
IQ is our best way to measure the max output of a large population with replicability and somewhat objectivity.
There are factors (environment, especially early in life) that can strip away from this IQ as people grow up.
Many reasons why poor populations create pathological cultures re: IQs is adopting cultures that reject the +EV behaviors as part of a culture, which creates successive generations of lower IQ. Then it becomes endemic and generational and there is no way out (as you have multiple generations who have no idea what to do, without the ability o do it if they wanted).
Some kids can come out of those pathological cultures with a lowered IQ, but with a starting point of such a high IQ they're still past 110-120.
JD Vance seems to have had some of the environmental nurturing that protects IQ (like reading as a young child).
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Sounds like you read memes and think they're science.
If it feels funny I'm going to say it.
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Definitely over 100, probably over 110.
I think its over 110, probably over 120, but it doesn't capture how well his brain works.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think by removing obstacles for employers and companies, the economic development/production they create naturally provides this ability for success.
It provides so much more opportunity but most would rather have a pre-determined path rather than being actively involved in planning their own
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:38 pm to Narax
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Watch Hillbilly elegy.
Now we're talking.
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His mother did very well in school and worked with him from a young age.
No, she didn't. She was hardly around for most of his upbringing and his Grandmother didn't provide any kind of academic support. He almost literally raised himself.
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He's Brilliant, his wife is Brilliant.
And his kids will be brilliant because of DNA.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:39 pm to Evolved Simian
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It's an opinion, and it's easily the majority one among geneticists.
OOOOHHHH all of a sudden now there are multiple theories....
*Shocked*
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If I was wrong, it was only about your age. Ever other word is true. You laid out your DEI philosophy for us clearly.
Have you read Critical theory?
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Good one, but I actually hit the IQ lottery.
You should post your IQ so I can laugh
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think by removing obstacles for employers and companies, the economic development/production they create naturally provides this ability for success.
You're ignoring the natural effect of supply and demand. With a supply of billions for only millions of jobs wages naturally crater.
Tell us your big picture/end game view with unlimited immigration as that is what you are promoting.
My opinions are based on the long term result in the overall picture. Not just wages today or tomorrow for some tech nerd slaving away for 80 hours a week, while sharing an apartment with three other tech nerds working also 80 hours a week.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:40 pm to Ag Zwin
Companies have actively discriminated against Americans in favor of Indians
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:41 pm to Flats
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There shouldn’t be if your claim is accurate.
Humans are their own creatures, you can't force people to develop a love of learning.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:42 pm to Evolved Simian
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So he's a voracious reader?
I didn't say that.
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So he's a literal genius?
No
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Over 110?
Jesus, no. That's more than two full standard deviations. Have you ever listened to his vocabulary?
Vocabulary is correlated with IQ but that's due to exposure. That's like defending the ancient SAT verbal section.
My vocabulary was never that high but that didn't stop my IQ from being off the charts. Spending most of my formative years with people having over 120-130 IQs never put me in a position where their higher vocabularies put me down the list of smartest in the group (it was usually the opposite).
Now where Lebron may appear to distort his IQ is his quick thinking ability. That can make an outside observer overrate raw intelligence b/c of a skewing towards "thinking fast". This is why some people with average IQs can out shine their contemporaries with higher IQs in those crucial decision-making positions like playmaker in the NBA or QB in the NFL.
So an IQ slightly over 100 but having that skewed towards "thinking fast" would work for sure.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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IQ has a large environment component.
Yes. Partial.
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IQ is our best way to measure the max output of a large population with replicability and somewhat objectivity.
Not even debatable.
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There are factors (environment, especially early in life) that can strip away from this IQ as people grow up.
Yes, but there are few that add to it.
Every person with a measurable IQ can become more knowledgeable about something. You can dilligently work and improve critical thinking, but you can't create the extra neural pathways that create genius.
Every bit of that is genetic.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:45 pm to Narax
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Humans are their own creatures, you can't force people to develop a love of learning.
I thought we were all identical at birth.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:46 pm to BuckyCheese
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You're ignoring the natural effect of supply and demand. With a supply of billions for only millions of jobs wages naturally crater.
Just because billions exist doesn't mean they can compete for jobs, especially if the economy is advanced. There is a barrier to entry that the vast majority of those people don't meet prior to any culture/education/training/skills come into play.
This is why I've always argued against the MAGA plan to redistribute wealth to take from the makers and fund lower-level manufacturing jobs. This will devolve our economy and make those faceless billions more in line to compete for these jobs (not to mention the SOL/GDP decrease).
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Right.
If we don't recruit the best, they will go elsewhere
Your observation is redundant as "recruiting the best" is EXACTLY what Trump already envisions the H1B program doing.
I have to admit, the sudden slobbering over a gaslit H1B trailerhitch by bright folks on this board is impressive. It shows the TDS deep state crowd still has residual charge left in its battery, and bright folks still have enough incapacity to be manipulated.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:48 pm to Evolved Simian
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You're entitled to an opinion, but the preponderance of rigorous intelligence study is that genetics make up the significant portion of IQ determination.
Not all brains are capable of developing at the same rate, no matter how much money you give them. Same with bodies.
The brain is like a muscle. In that the more stimuli and exercise it gets, the more developed it becomes.
Let's take Asia and the Orient for example.
Their schools are better than what the Dept of Ed has turned ours into. Their parents also push... And I mean PUSH their kids to excell.
Let's also take into account diet. Those kids don't get fed all the additives and chemicals or as much junk food as ours do.
It's not that they are inherently smarter. They've simply been taken care of better.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:49 pm to Evolved Simian
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Every person with a measurable IQ can become more knowledgeable about something. Y
Has nothing to do with IQ. Memory, maybe.
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You can dilligently work and improve critical thinking, but you can't create the extra neural pathways that create genius.
Again, you're only improving that critical thinking within the hard limit of the IQ of the individual.
Now, generationally IQ can improve with simple things like improved nutrition and more reading. Some populations in undeveloped/rural areas don't even really have a concept of higher-level or abstract thinking. You have to start from square 0. This also skews their scores on IQ tests, but that skewing shows their potential immediate adaptability into a modern society at the same time.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:49 pm to Narax
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When Lebron plays basketball is his brain not developed?
Playing at his level requires intense brain activity and fast calculations.
The motor parts are very developed. Are fine motor skills and a giant body genetic? Yep. Just like intelligence.
I could no more have ever beaten Lebron 1 on 1 than he could beat me on an IQ test, and it doesn't matter who raised us.
This is simply not debatable, and it's why so few actual geneticists take Gould seriously.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Just because billions exist doesn't mean they can compete for jobs, especially if the economy is advanced.
Every economy has low level jobs, no matter how advanced it is. Ditches don't dig themselves.
Or are you saying only our white collar jobs should be open to a billion or so people worldwide?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:50 pm to Evolved Simian
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Every person with a measurable IQ can become more knowledgeable about something. You can dilligently work and improve critical thinking, but you can't create the extra neural pathways that create genius.
Every bit of that is genetic.
Wow what a weird religion you are in because you got a slightly high IQ on a test once.
Extra Neural pathways create genius?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04268-8
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:51 pm to Evolved Simian
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I could no more have ever beaten Lebron 1 on 1 than he could beat me on an IQ test, and it doesn't matter who raised us.
What score does he need to get bigshot?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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Your observation is redundant as "recruiting the best" is EXACTLY what Trump already envisions the H1B program doing.
You're arguing with the wrong person.
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It shows the TDS deep state crowd still has residual charge left in its battery
This melt is being led by MAGA diehards, influencing lower-IQ, emotional MAGA NPCs....and the racist MAGA coalition (of which a few posted ITT) who reject non-whites
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