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re: Elon and Vivek are right to point out the cultural factors in the visa issue
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:11 pm to Flats
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:11 pm to Flats
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Do you not know any families that raised multiple children the exact same way with wildly disparate outcomes?
Do you know any that didn't?
There are very often major differences in sibling success IQ and education achievement.
Was Beau Intelligent?
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:13 pm to Wolfwireless
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We attack college because they've turned their main goal into being to pump out as many good little social justice warrior NPCs as possible.
Because we promote identity over merit. Except where minorities are overrepresented, like athletics and entertainment, then we only reward merit.
And that only applies to the correct minorities. Asians being overrepresented in STEM professions is also somehow discriminatory to black people.
What we really do is punish high IQ groups because it is somehow racist that they are different genetically.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:14 pm to Evolved Simian
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Jesus fricking Christ. You think black doctors don't emphasize education? You're being intentionally stupid.
Culture is more than parents
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You saying otherwise doesn't even matter. EVERY legitimate scientist knows that IQ is more genetic than environmental. EVERY rigorous study proves it. It is not debatable.
Not remotely true, you saying "EVERY" is shockingly ignorant.
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Obviously. And quite incorrectly, because you're a GenZ lefitst.
You haven't been right once so far.
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We can never make America great if we tell armless people they can play football or tell low IQ people that they are really smart people who didn't have enoujgh money.
You really have no idea what you are talking about...
I guess we can blame it on your genes.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:15 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Culture is downstream of genetics, and there are sharp limits on what you can expect from immigrants who come from less intelligent populations, like India. They also bring all of their vices with them, like lying and fraud.
You're a month away from posting phrenology
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:16 pm to Eighteen
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Is this a failure in the population or a failure in our current education system and macro economic environment?
The population
Bad school districts are made by bad populations
/Families from which they get students
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:17 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Or someone who doesn’t really have a good grasp of genetics
Or IQ
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:17 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:Is he?
Your boy Vivek is the one explicitly trying to increase limits
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:20 pm to Evolved Simian
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Not all brains are capable of developing at the same rate, no matter how much money you give them. Same with bodies.
When Lebron plays basketball is his brain not developed?
Playing at his level requires intense brain activity and fast calculations.
But he's still stuck on page 1 of most books.
But he has a eidetic memory and is able to render plays on the fly.
Do you think his IQ is above or below 120?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:21 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:Nah.
there are sharp limits on what you can expect from immigrants who come from less intelligent populations, like India. They also bring all of their vices with them, like lying and fraud.
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This sounds like Critical Race Theory.
It sounds like old fashioned stereotypic racism.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:22 pm to Ag Zwin
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I’m fairly confident I made the point: America has far too big of an element that have given up on the value of working your arse off and waiting for the gratification that comes from it.
So, your saying that we should bring in H1B labor to replace these lazy Americans? I don't see management working their asses off if they get hired through nepotism. Many people work their arse off and never get gratification, unless they hire a prostitute. Most management and even owners haven't worked for anything. Many owners inherit their capital/business from a previous generation. I see everything the exact opposite as you, and so will most Americans. The corporations want slave labor, and if they can't get it, then they want to go to South America. They fight to destroy unions and ensure that no labor laws get passed. The only thing that they are worried about is self interest, and have no loyalty to country, other Americans that live here, or even the constitution. That's capitalism. If Musk wants to hire Indian labor, then he needs to take his operations to India. Don't bring India here.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:23 pm to wackatimesthree
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Labor is a commodity that is for sale and that is purchased.
And the same market forces work on it that work on any other commodity.
It's not some sacred thing that is or should be different than anything else.
This labor/wage protectionism is literally our of the Bernie/Fauxcahontas playbook.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:23 pm to Narax
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Watch Hillbilly elegy.
I have.
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His mother did very well in school
So, genetics.
Anything else?
Everything else you said is his family forcing him to apply himself. The inherent intelligence was already there.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This labor/wage protectionism is literally our of the Bernie/Fauxcahontas playbook.
You think the government of a nation doesn't have an obligation to provide a playing field it's citizens can succeed on?
Or it should just allow billions of people all over the world to compete for the jobs here?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:25 pm to BuckyCheese
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Someone made the claim that IQ is a product of environment.
Bucky, if you want to argue with somebody that thinks the average IQ in India is higher than the average IQ here... Ask them these two questions.
How much has the average IQ here dropped, since the 80's, when the Dept of Education started screwing every thing up?
And India has a controlled environment. A lot of them aren't on their phone, iPad, or computer every waking hour. (No offense to anybody, with that. But come on, I know I spend too much screen time.)
And they don't put a phone or tablet in front of their kids to babysit them.
So if we weren't doing that, how much would our kids creative thinking start to increase?
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:28 pm to Narax
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Playing at his level requires intense brain activity and fast calculations.
But he's still stuck on page 1 of most books.
Sounds like you read memes and think they're science.
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Do you think his IQ is above or below 120?
Definitely over 100, probably over 110.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:30 pm to Narax
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Culture is more than parents
Yep. But it doesn't determine IQ.
Rejecting education makes a person dumb, it doesn't impair their ability to learn.
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Not remotely true, you saying "EVERY" is shockingly ignorant.
It's an opinion, and it's easily the majority one among geneticists.
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You haven't been right once so far.
If I was wrong, it was only about your age. Ever other word is true. You laid out your DEI philosophy for us clearly.
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You really have no idea what you are talking about...
I guess we can blame it on your genes.
Good one, but I actually hit the IQ lottery. Because of genetics. Not that I ever did anything other than dutifully go to college then go to work with it, but I'm proud to be a contributor to my country.
And the reason I hit the genetic lottery with IQ is because my parents were loaded dice. They were both of above average intelligence. Had they both been stupid. There is almost 100% genetic certainty I would have been stupid.
It's shocking how much pseudoscientists pretend that genetics aren't an overwhelmingly determinant factor for brains, because they are all magically genetically identical.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:30 pm to Narax
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There are very often major differences in sibling success IQ and education achievement.
There shouldn’t be if your claim is accurate.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:31 pm to Wolfwireless
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Bucky, if you want to argue with somebody that thinks the average IQ in India is higher than the average IQ here.
I haven't seen that. It's common knowledge that the average Indian on the sub-continent is a retard.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Sounds like you read memes and think they're science.
So he's a voracious reader? So he's a literal genius? Because if you read a lot, you magically grow a giant IQ.
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Definitely over 100
Maybe in that range.
Over 110?
Jesus, no. That's more than two full standard deviations. Have you ever listened to his vocabulary?
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:32 pm to BuckyCheese
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You think the government of a nation doesn't have an obligation to provide a playing field it's citizens can succeed on?
I think by removing obstacles for employers and companies, the economic development/production they create naturally provides this ability for success.
I don't think government has any role in dictating wages other than public salaries.
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Or it should just allow billions of people all over the world to compete for the jobs here?
That is what is ultimately happening in a worldwide economy.
If we don't recruit the best, they will go elsewhere and create the companies and economic success our native population demands.
Salary/labor protectionism by other countries is one major reason why we have been so economically dominant even with so many costly mistakes (like $1T spent on the WOT and countless trillions in money and economic opportunity of our citizens destroyed with the WOD).
Like I told someone who said he wanted a "nation, not an economic zone" a few days ago, providing a robust economy is the best path for our citizens. "Building a nation" will mimic what we have seen in Russia the past decade. Putin created a largely sanction proof nation, but their SOL, economic outlook, and economic future were all kneecapped in the process. What good has that done his people today and tomorrow?
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