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ELI5: Are the other intelligence agencies as corrupt as the FBI?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:33 pm
Why are the FBI and the CIA the 'worst' IC members? It's as clear as can be that they are corrupt beyond fixing, why did they get this way compared to the others or are they all the same?
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Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:34 pm to TomBuchanan
I think Space Force is unsullied.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:36 pm to TomBuchanan
Yes. Next question.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:36 pm to TomBuchanan
The only Federal agencies I like are Border Patrol and the Marshals.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:48 pm to TomBuchanan
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why did they get this way compared to the others or are they all the same?
pretty much all the same top to bottom in every agency.
if you think back to obamas first term, he came in and fired everyone in leadership of every government dept and in the military, and he installed democrat loyalists sworn to obey the party above all else as their replacements, and then they ran off, fired, or made to quit, anyone who was left that opposed politicizing the military, law enforcement, and the targeting of political opponents.
when trump came in he replaced no one, they all stayed and worked during his entire term to shut down and stop anything he tried to do to undo the lawlessness of leadership. he couldnt even get security clearances removed from known leakers, they just refused to follow a direct order of the president and they were all in on it so no one was fired over it, in fact they got raises and promotions for committing sedition
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:48 pm to TomBuchanan
Yes they are
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:49 pm to TomBuchanan
State Dept is a nest of snakes
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:50 pm to TomBuchanan
CIA is probably worse. The Q stuff was interesting in that they tried to paint NSA as good guys, but I don't buy that.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:51 pm to TomBuchanan
Think CIA has killed a lot more innocent people. They tend to operate outside the country and act through proxies so they get away with a lot more.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:56 pm to keakar
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when trump came in he replaced no one, they all stayed and worked during his entire term to shut down and stop anything he tried to do to undo the lawlessness of leadership. he couldnt even get security clearances removed from known leakers, they just refused to follow a direct order of the president and they were all in on it so no one was fired over it, in fact they got raises and promotions for committing sedition
So lets say Trump somehow gets re-elected with all the garbage swirling around. will he go scorched earth and do the same to the intelligence communities and thats something they absolutely fear?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:58 pm to TomBuchanan
I was thinking about this earlier. The only real way to effect change in these agencies is through the states. If states want to root out FBI corruption, the only way to do so is to effectively and immediately cut off ALL support to the FBI. Absolutely zero assistance should be given to them at any level of state govt, and investigative inquiries should being in state legislatures involving their activities within the state. Come at them from all angles. Until they can give a full accounting and provide reassurances the citizens of that particular state, ban them. States have enormous power, they just have to learn how to swing a big dick.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 6:36 pm to TomBuchanan
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So lets say Trump somehow gets re-elected with all the garbage swirling around. will he go scorched earth and do the same to the intelligence communities and thats something they absolutely fear?
honestly i dont think its possible.
because honest people will quit or retire. so its easy to replace honest people who do their job fairly without bias.
but the dishonest corrupt people wont leave willingly and they will sabotage and dig in and when everyone is a bad actor who will force them out?
will you use and trust the CIA to arrest and escort every member of FBI out the building taking their keys, badges and guns away?
if they do then what next? will you use and trust the NSA to arrest and escort every member of CIA out the building taking their keys, badges and guns away?
if they do then what next? who will you use and trust to arrest and escort every member of every corrupt agency out the building taking their keys, badges and guns away?
then comes the military and pentagon which is just as corrupt from top to bottom
it can be done but it will take 10 years or more at least just to make a dent in the corruption even if tomorrow every leadership in every dept was replaced
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 6:40 pm to keakar
Obama is turning the country into a totalitarian police state
Posted on 8/9/22 at 7:02 pm to TomBuchanan
They are all dirty, top to bottom.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 7:03 pm to Bunk Moreland
NSA, most likely we're the first people to go to John Solomon. It's an interesting story.
Jon said, paraphrasing, " I got home an a couple guys, obviously agents of an agency, approached me and asked if I was John Solomon. I said yes, not knowing who or what was going on. They very seriously told me that they were concerned that other agencies were spying on Trump (others) without reason.".
This is how Solomon and others got the original info regarding spygar
te/Russia collusion.
Also, the head of the NSA went to Trump tower for a meeting with Trump after security was set up. Nobody knew he was going. We still do not know what happened in that meeting, but judging from Trump's comments later, it appears this is where he was told about the spying. "Wire taps". They packed everything up and moved to his golf course over the next days. Leaving Trump Tower almost immediately.
Jon said, paraphrasing, " I got home an a couple guys, obviously agents of an agency, approached me and asked if I was John Solomon. I said yes, not knowing who or what was going on. They very seriously told me that they were concerned that other agencies were spying on Trump (others) without reason.".
This is how Solomon and others got the original info regarding spygar
te/Russia collusion.
Also, the head of the NSA went to Trump tower for a meeting with Trump after security was set up. Nobody knew he was going. We still do not know what happened in that meeting, but judging from Trump's comments later, it appears this is where he was told about the spying. "Wire taps". They packed everything up and moved to his golf course over the next days. Leaving Trump Tower almost immediately.
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