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re: Electric chair could return for executions in Louisiana
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:28 pm to Jbird
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:28 pm to Jbird
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So I can only assume you are suggesting we do away with juries?
No. I'm maintaining that their decision is fallible enough to where we shouldn't use it to execute people.
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What a fricking idiotic statement.
If it's so idiotic perhaps you can educate me on the benefits of the death penalty. I'll help you with some basic facts:
1. You have the potential to kill an innocent person and it has been done numerous times
2. It costs more than life imprisonment
3. It has not been proven to be a deterrent for violent crimes. In fact states that have the death penalty are more violent than those that do not.
So with all that being said what exactly is the justification for the death penalty if not for public support of those who thirst for blood lust as a form or revenge/justice? There isn't any logical reason that benefits the public to keep it around.
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:29 pm to Powerman
quote:Fair enough.
. I'm maintaining that their decision is fallible enough to where we shouldn't use it to execute people.
It was this fricking idiotic statement Rex Jr.
Why?
It just placates the read meat crowd that loves their blood lust.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
"Gov. Bobby Jindal said Friday his aides are confident the procedure will work. “(We’re) ready to implement the two drugs,” the governor said in a brief telephone conversation."
Piyush needs to read his Church's teachings on the death penalty on cases like this. Though Sepulvado committed a horrible crime the death penalty in his case is not consistent with Catholic teaching.
I thought Piyush chose to become a Catholic after much soul searching and thought and prayer. But, I see like his religious conversion his support of the death penalty here is all political.
Piyush needs to read his Church's teachings on the death penalty on cases like this. Though Sepulvado committed a horrible crime the death penalty in his case is not consistent with Catholic teaching.
I thought Piyush chose to become a Catholic after much soul searching and thought and prayer. But, I see like his religious conversion his support of the death penalty here is all political.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:34 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Governor Jindal wasn't elected to enforce the teachings of the Catholic Church. The people of the state of Louisiana have decided that Sepulvado should die for his crimes. He is charged with carrying that out.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Look, I'm a small government guy and believe they should be as unintrusive as possible.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard that precede:
...But I'm FOR the power of government to take a citizen's life.
...But I'm FOR the government telling the People what drugs they can and cannot legally obtain - and searching and seizing their persons, possesions and homes in the pursuit of such drugs.
...But I'm FOR the government calling private citizens before congressional committees to testify against themselves for activities protected under the 1st Amendment.
...But I'm FOR the government using our tax dollars and home defense forces to 'liberate' oppressed peoples/seize market share and resources in sovereign nations around the globe.
So, forgive me, but I'm just not buying it.
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The alternative is anarchy
No, the alternative is limiting the powers of the government - you know, like 'conservatives' are supposed to champion.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Governor Jindal wasn't elected to enforce the teachings of the Catholic Church. The people of the state of Louisiana have decided that Sepulvado should die for his crimes. He is charged with carrying that out.
The Catholic church says the people of Louisiana are wrong in this case. It is funny how Piyush has made a big deal of his conversion to Catholicism and now he has a chance to put his faith into action and he goes with the flow. My thing is that Piyush shouldn't showcase his religious conversion to Louisiana voters and then conveniently put it aside for political purposes.
I'm not advocating freeing Sepulvado. I was in Louisiana when this horrible crime happened and I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison being punished and reminded daily of what he did. In human terms putting him to death frees him from this. That doesn't sound like a punishment.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:38 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But I'm FOR the power of government to take a citizen's life.
And I'm arguing that the government doesn't currently have the power sentence anyone to execution. The people decide that. The people elect the DAs and the judges. The people don't have to sentence someone to death just because the DA asks for it. I don't know how much less you want government involved in it.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:41 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Then why is he fighting it so hard? And for so long?
putting him to death frees him from this. That doesn't sound like a punishment.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:48 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:I disagree.
In human terms putting him to death frees him from this.
Although I don't fully agree with the government having the ability to take a life, I believe perpetrators of heinous crimes should be removed from existence. How? I'm not really sure. In certain situations, I do agree with revenge.
To claim that it is actually worse for an individual to remain alive and in custody than it is for them to be put to death, well, that is just flat out wrong.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Texas has executed at least one innocent man in the not so distant past, if not two. And how many people have been released from prison for wrongful convictions in just TX and LA over the last several year? There's no doubt at all that the system has major flaws that should make anyone question the way death penalty is administered.
But there's no doubt Sepulvado did the crime he's sentenced for. Anyone who can read the details of what he did and still not be o.k. with him riding the one way needle highway is just a fricking pansy. I get sick of seeing the editorials like the one in the Advocate today that focus on how horrible the experience is for the condemned and never once mention the victims and what they went through. With as much suffering as Sepulvado caused that little boy over several days, who gives a flying frick if he has a few moments of discomfort as he dies himself? True justice would be if he had to face the same kind of torture he gave that child.
The conservatives here really don't want the electric chair back, though. Louisiana used a union electrician out of I.B.E.W. LU 995 in B.R. to throw the switch on Gertie at Angola. Can't be supporting the unions, now can ya?
But there's no doubt Sepulvado did the crime he's sentenced for. Anyone who can read the details of what he did and still not be o.k. with him riding the one way needle highway is just a fricking pansy. I get sick of seeing the editorials like the one in the Advocate today that focus on how horrible the experience is for the condemned and never once mention the victims and what they went through. With as much suffering as Sepulvado caused that little boy over several days, who gives a flying frick if he has a few moments of discomfort as he dies himself? True justice would be if he had to face the same kind of torture he gave that child.
The conservatives here really don't want the electric chair back, though. Louisiana used a union electrician out of I.B.E.W. LU 995 in B.R. to throw the switch on Gertie at Angola. Can't be supporting the unions, now can ya?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:54 pm to Powerman
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It's common knowledge that it is NOT more expensive to put someone in prison for life. It is in fact cheaper to do that than it is to execute them in most cases because of the appeals process.
Oh, it's much cheaper to kill them immediately absent endless public funding for no apparent reason. In fact, I think we should not only execute the killer, but we should execute his lawyer if he drags it out over 10 years.
Harsh? Perhaps.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:35 pm to Powerman
The death penalty is awesome.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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And I'm arguing that the government doesn't currently have the power sentence anyone to execution
I didn't say that, I said:
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the power of government to take a citizen's life.
You can play word games and semantics all you want, but in the end, it's the State which actually CARRIES OUT the execution. That is unacceptable to me. I would rather vigilanteeism. My great-great-grandfather was a member of a famous vigilance committee which ousted bandits from their Vermilion stronghold with the aid of a cannon called "Betsy".
You may know of the leader of that committee, his name was (General) Alfred Mouton. My G-G-Grandfather also served in the cavalry supporting Mouton's action at Mansfiled where Mouton fell.
The funny thing is, there is a poster on one of these boards who is a decendent of the leader of the Attakapas outlaws.
You gotta love Louisiana.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 5:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You can play word games and semantics all you want, but in the end, it's the State which actually CARRIES OUT the execution.
My first post in this thread advocated the citizenry carrying out the execution.
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vigilance committee
A form of government, although a small and extremely local one. And there is no more guarantee that a vigilance committee would get it right any more than a state or local court where the officers of the court are elected by the citizens and the jury is made up of the citizenry.
The rest of your story is really cool
Posted on 2/2/14 at 5:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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A form of government, although a small and extremely local one. And there is no more guarantee that a vigilance committee would get it right any more than a state or local court where the officers of the court are elected by the citizens and the jury is made up of the citizenry.
Not exactly. The vigilance committee was still at the mercy of the government to defend their actions. the government could choose to either prosecte or not - they chose not. But at least it wasn't the government itself carrying out executions. And as a matter of fact, there were no killings after the initial assault. The bandits were made to swear an oath, or face imprisonment. In typical Louisiana fashion, some did neither.
I'm not really for vigilance ccommittes any more except in extreme cases when the government is shirking its duty to protect the rights of the people to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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The rest of your story is really cool
Thanks. Yeah, my family has been in pretty much the same place for a long time. My great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, Firmin Girouard, was 16 when he chose exile from Acadia. He arrived in the Attakapas district on the same boat as Joseph "Beausoliel" Broussard sometime around 1765.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 5:24 pm to Sentrius
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“I’m going to bring back the electric chair,” said Lopinto, R-Metairie.
Horah! Bring back 'ole sparky'! Maybe Louisiana will put in an 'Execution Express Lane' like in Texas.
Remember reading a story about a traveling executioner. Colorful character. Traveled from state to state with his portable electric chair. Was very nice to his clients, even gave the condemned a nice friendly pat on the shoulder, just before he turned on the juice. He said it was "nothing personal....strictly business".
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:01 pm to Sentrius
It should be out in front of everybody, and a citizen at random should have to pull the lever,trigger, or push the plunger on the syringe. There should be no disconnect, if you want it done by god get your hands dirty
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:25 pm to Powerman
quote:but we like feeling that people get what they deserve.
1. You have the potential to kill an innocent person and it has been done numerous times
2. It costs more than life imprisonment
3. It has not been proven to be a deterrent for violent crimes. In fact states that have the death penalty are more violent than those that do not.
The right is obsessed with people getting what they deserve. At least for other people.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:28 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:I like when people get what they deserve.
The right is obsessed with people getting what they deserve.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:37 pm to Scruffy
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I like when people get what they deserve.
The good and the bad. It's pretty much my favorite thing.
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