re: Elderly White woman attacked on the X2.... gets off the bus, and the attackers do it agai

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I did not say or imply anything about silencing anyone.

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If being able to have an intelligent debate with thugs is not possible...so you shut up, you have been silenced, imo.

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Seems like both parties were assholes. You don’t say the N word without expecting an arse beating. You don’t beat up old women. I call it a push.

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So you're saying that the old white lady had it coming for having bad thoughts and verbalizing those bad thoughts?

What if the old lady had some kind of age-related mental impairment? Shouldn't the Guardians of Good Thoughts have taken that possibility into consideration before administering their punishment for Bad Thoughts?

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I would also expect someone to be attacked if they called a bunch of white bikers "sissies"

You think bikers would attack an old lady for calling them sissies?

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that was a really poor example, mea culpa

let me step back and clarify/rephrase

1st, I was assuming that the attacks came only after the slur, I was mistaken

2nd, my example was unfair to "bikers" (especially based on some of the things we have seen from the biker community insofar as stepping up to protect people the last 2 years)

I should have said "skinheads"

the point I was trying to make was that the woman was, at a minimum, unwise in her choice of words and her reaction

I wasn't there, so I do not know, but my guess is that she did not just politely ask them to turn the music down, my guess is that she was rude and ugly herself (again, I could be wrong)

and I DO place more blame on the attackers (pretty damned cowardly and lowlife to physically assault an elderly person, especially a woman)

lastly, yes, I DO believe that inflammatory language and name calling can escalate many situations

I am not trying to justify their (the attackers) actions; but I do understand how her insults could push them to behave even more poorly (as they did) Do I think they were justified? Do I agree with how they reacted?

hell no; but I do understand

and yes, there are situations that I can imagine where an elderly black (or Asian, or Hispanic, or whatever) person could create a worse situation for themselves and even be physically assaulted based on poorly timed insults

so there you have it

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They share equal responsibility for their respective missteps.

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Agreed. One party is responsible for assault and one party is responsible for using a bad word after being assaulted and before being assaulted a second time.

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she asked them to turn down loud obscene music.

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Like when nickles being rappin about other nickles and frickin hos and shite?

...Maybe the little old lady was just rappin when she got off the bus, and nickles on the bus be all like, "Aw, hell naw..."

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They share equal responsibility for their respective missteps.

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Kinda like.."I shouldn't have made eye contact with that person...they took offense and punched me. It's my fault as much as theirs"?

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That statement probably also holds true if the first part read "if the regulations regarding music content/volume hadn't been ignored." Again, this isn't to excuse either party for their vile behavior. From what I can tell of the events, racism was running amok in the hearts of all involved.

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Then its the bus drivers fault for not enforcing the rules?
Did he like the music or was he silenced because he knew what would happen if he said something?

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Kinda like.."I shouldn't have made eye contact with that person...they took offense and punched me. It's my fault as much as theirs"?

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Not kinda like that at all, no.

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I should have said "skinheads"

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Seems like an extreme example brotaco. Skinheads subscribe to hatred, these were regular black baws on the bus.

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The words have a dark history.

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So dark that it's one of the most common words uttered in rap music.

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Leave it to white people to try to determine what can't or can be racist or demeaning especially since they created the slur

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Imagine I started a sentence with "Leave it to black people to...".

Progressives are truly horrible people. How TF do you manage to be racist against everyone? Racism of low expectations for minorities and outright KKK level racism against whites.