re: Ecumenism - Is it happening??

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The Scriptures are clear on what the gospel is

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The First Baptist Church doesn't agree with the Third Baptist Church who doesn't agree with the Pine Street Baptist church, who doesn't agree with the Downtown Presbyterian church, who hates the Uptown Lutheran church who disagrees with the Westside Episcopal Church who disagrees with the Eastside Church of God etc etc etc dot dot dot ...

So what is clear, again?

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Champagne

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You just don't know what quite to do with this I suppose:

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It's astounding to see the Roman Catholic Church essentially saying We were wrong. The role of the pope during the second millennium was an unjustifiable departure from the period before the Great Schism (1054).

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I want to be a first millennium catholic. I consider myself a first millennium catholic. Sure, I can join the Roman Catholic church, but then I would be a second and third millennium catholic instead of a first millennium catholic.

Where's Stitches? He's nicer

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The Roman Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ established.

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The "church" of Rome has abandoned what Jesus founded and He has taken your lampstand away.

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You believe in a "Gospel" given to you by John Calvin and other disturbed men.

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Don't make me call you a liar as I've already addressed this false statement with you many times.

The Gospel I trust in is from the Scriptures, themselves. Not from Calvin or other men you disagree with.

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You deny the Real Presence. As such, it is your Salvation that is in peril.

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My salvation is purchased by Jesus Christ alone and I receive it gladly through faith in His sacrifice on the cross for my sins.

Denying the contents of bread or wine does not mean I deny Christ. I receive Him by faith as He commanded and that is what my salvation is secured by. No work of man can add to or take away that which Christ has accomplished on the cross.

You have a difference of opinion on what it means to disagree.

I'm a big umbrella type of Christian.
Let's be as inclusive as possible with our boundaries.
Let's allow for some doctrinal distinctiveness.
God knows enough of it has existed within the Roman Church for many centuries.

Apostle's Creed, Nicene, Athanasian? How far can we go?
Is there anything in the first seven councils that I couldn't get on board with?
I honestly don't know. I haven't read them all.

Probably safe to assume ecumenism won't be happening anytime soon.

Best to wrap things up before squirrelmeister starts chiming in

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The Roman Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ established

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The Roman Empire that legalized the practice of Christianity in 312 was based out of Constantinople and remained that way until the Muslims conquered it in 1453.

The Bishop of Rome (Pope Leo 9) MADE UP the concept of universal jurisdiction and inserted the filioque into the Creed despite the other 4 Bishops of Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria telling him it was heretical.

5 Bishops…1 (pope) went his own way. That sums it all up.

The Church of Rome were the first Protestants and definitely not Catholic, which means ONE/UNDIVIDED.

The Church that Christ established remains today unchanged and is the faith UNCHANGED by papal decree…the Holy Orthodox Church.

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The First Baptist Church doesn't agree with the Third Baptist Church who doesn't agree with the Pine Street Baptist church, who doesn't agree with the Downtown Presbyterian church, who hates the Uptown Lutheran church who disagrees with the Westside Episcopal Church who disagrees with the Eastside Church of God etc etc etc dot dot dot ...

So what is clear, again?

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Like I said, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is clear, and that is what ultimately matters because no one is saved by their understanding of baptism but if you get the Gospel wrong, you get it all wrong.

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Who told you that? Some guy named John Calvin?

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Nope. I have read the Scriptures and have seen what God has done to churches in the book of Revelation and compare that to what the church of Rome teaches and put 2 and 2 together.

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You must be joking.

How can anybody take your Theological knowledge seriously?

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I don't expect someone like you to take me seriously. You can't even maintain an academic discussion about historical reality and biblical exegesis. You use illogical arguments to try to put me down instead of dealing with the issues at hand.

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The "church" of Rome has abandoned what Jesus founded and He has taken your lampstand away.

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Who told you that? Some guy named John Calvin?

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Well, just about anyone can look at how decisions were made in the fourth century and compare them to how decisions were made in the 11th, 15th, 16, 19th and say "Wow, what a change!"

This is essentially what your Vatican's document does.
I don't go nearly as far as Foo on the implications, but many New Testaments teachings were clearly cast aside for matters of convenience. Again, your document says as much.

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Indeed, many ecumenical
problems, fears, or dissatisfactions are primarily linked to
contingent and therefore changeable features of papal primacy.
Some features of papal primacy, which originally responded to a
genuine need in a specific period of Church history, continued to
subsist, even after the reason for their origin had disappeared.

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Taken completely out of context as usual.

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I go out of my way to explain context in my responses. Why don't you tell me how I'm taking this out of context? Go on.

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You don't know what you are talking about. You proved that when you said that the Gates of Heaven were open before Christ opened them through his Sacrifice on the Cross.

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you didn't even respond to my rebuttal in the previous thread. Please take some time to respond to me before you make the same accusations.

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You are a Pastor of a tiny sect. Less than 10 thousand of you in the whole USA. Not even your fellow Protestants agree with what you believe. So, given that, how on Earth can you dare expect to be persuasive here?

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This again?

1. I'm not a pastor

2. The size of the denomination I belong to is irrelevant to the truth and I've explained this to you more times than I can remember, yet you still go back to that irrational argument. It seems to me that you have no better argument.

3. I don't care if I persuade you because it's not my job to persuade the lost. That's God's job. I'm attempting to disarm you of your false attacks against the truth of God's Word. Whether you are persuaded by that or not is irrelevant. Others can see what I say and judge if it comports to God's Word or not.