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re: 'Due process' was stripped from illegals by President Clinton & Congress in the 1990s

Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:31 am to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57264 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:31 am to
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The entitlement is insane. Find it yourself


Impossible. It doesn’t exist. Which is the point. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You couldn’t care less about the constitution…all you know is OMB. Your inability to link us to a single criticism proves it.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:43 am to
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Impossible. It doesn’t exist


You'd have to look to find this out.

We both know you're far too lazy.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13541 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:39 am to
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The burden has never been on the government to prove you aren’t legal.


No it very much initially is. The burden is on the government to prove by clear and convincing evidence that the person is subject to removal under a section of the INA. Once they meet that burden it then shifts to the person to prove to varying levels depending on type of relief that they have a basis to stay in the US.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1989 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:47 am to
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why the President of that country said it was because the US is paying him.


When did the President of El Salvador say that?

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but I would like to know why we are paying to incarcerate people in another country.

We are paying El Salvador to house Venezuelans because the government of Venezuela will not allow the U.S. to deport Venezuelan citizens to Venezuela.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1989 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:59 am to
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No it very much initially is. The burden is on the government to prove by clear and convincing evidence that the person is subject to removal under a section of the INA. Once they meet that burden it then shifts to the person to prove to varying levels depending on type of relief that they have a basis to stay in the US.


The clear and convincing standard is for people that entered the U.S. legally. The government must prove by clear and convincing evidence that the person has done something to meet the standard of deportability.

For persons trying to enter, the burden is on that person.

For persons present in the U.S. that did not enter legally all the government must show is that the person is foreign born, then the burden shifts to the person. The legal theory being that it is a situation where the person is trying to enter.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13541 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:37 am to
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For persons present in the U.S. that did not enter legally all the government must show is that the person is foreign born, then the burden shifts to the person


Fair enough rebuttable. The government still technically has first burden, proving alienage, but it typically is an extremely simple burden to meet.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:52 pm to
Listen to this rogue activist judge who didn't follow the Constitution.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467444 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:03 pm to
I've literally quoted cases he authored confirming this
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26719 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:54 pm to
America picked the slimy Clinton when they could have chosen Ross Perot.
Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
3402 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:32 pm to
You telling me that Judge Jamal is wrong?

That’s RACIST
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162985 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 6:38 am to
Was Scalia and RBG referring to asylum seeker refugees, those that apply legally?

Back when Scalia was of this earth, we didn't have purposeful destabilization with an open border. Haitians weren't flown in overnight to disrupt very small towns.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467444 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:03 am to
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Was Scalia and RBG referring to asylum seeker refugees, those that apply legally?


Clearly not

*ETA: I took your question to mean was he exclusively referring to them. He clearly says ANYONE within our border, which is what me and a couple others keep telling y'all has been the rules for forever.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 7:06 am
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