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re: Driverless cars could cripple police departments.....those unions will fight

Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:59 am to
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6678 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:59 am to
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The best hackers arent evil killers, and they dont work for fedgov.


His concerns weren't about the federal government.

Hacking is a concern, but the larger concern is how the programming will likely be written more favorably for some over others at the point of collision decision.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17390 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:01 am to
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Will be able to take control of your car at the drop of a hat


That's a legitimate concern.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:02 am to
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the larger concern is how the programming will likely be written more favorably for some over others at the point of collision decision.



then the vehicle would have to know who was in the vehicle....and the program in the vehicle altered remotely.
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6678 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:06 am to
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then the vehicle would have to know who was in the vehicle....and the program in the vehicle altered remotely.


The program will very quickly move to a cloud based network especially in urban areas in his opinion.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:12 am to
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I'd be interested to see how driverless cars behave when they get traffic lights and turn signals and have to consider all the other circumstances. Hell, how do they even perceive the turn signals and the circumstances at all? That's some amazing software.



I would assume it would begin on open highways well before it moves into the cities....Kinda like the cruise control...you get onto a highway and then the system takes over....when you are in manual driving mode, the system could still tell you/warn you of wrong doing....it will be interesting to see this move forward...but you are talking many many years in the future.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
63067 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:16 am to
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quote:

fedgov


Will be able to take control of your car at the drop of a hat


This would keep me from wanting a driverless car.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 11:20 am
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80554 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:17 am to
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You're right. Programs NEVER make mistakes.



A hell of a lot less mistakes than people make.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
19726 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:26 am to
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schexyoung

You're very stupid
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49153 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:29 am to
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if these cars malfunction and kill one person, the lawsuit will be astronomical.


Not really. It will be product liability. Those suits already happen all the time with vehicles.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49153 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:31 am to
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You're right. Programs NEVER make mistakes.



quote:

A hell of a lot less mistakes than people make.


A great example of making perfect the enemy of better.
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6678 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:35 am to
Thank you for your input.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:44 am to
I see rightwingers as the most vocal opponents of this technology, although they do seem to naively accept black box voting technology without much complaint.

Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28169 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:45 am to
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I see rightwingers as the most vocal opponents of this technology


haha no you don't.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:30 pm to
Cops would fight this whether they were in a union or not. I'm sure Louisiana sheriffs are against driverless cars.

They are a big industry and local political machines.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7689 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:37 pm to
"if these cars malfunction and kill one person, the lawsuit will be astronomical."

In that one instance, sure, but so long as no punitive damages are involved, the liability should be the same as with any fatality. Overall, aggregate costs would go down if the cars are, in fact, safer.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:38 pm to
Can't wait for driverless cars and those hovercraft things to be commercially viable.

Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:45 pm to
40,000 people die in cars with drivers every year. If 10,000 die in driverless cars, you've saved a lot of lives.

People like to think they're in control, though.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7827 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:00 pm to
I could see situations in which vehicle malfunction caused an avoidable crash, but in general when automated cars are here, I think you see both accidents AND traffic congestion go down. Computers would maintain proper speed, pacing, and if a collision occurs it will know about it immediately and way down the road. Really, with proper spacing between vehicles maintained, even mechanical failures causing issues would be drastically minimized.


If there were driverless cars I could get my forum posting done on the way to work etc. You'd probably have an increase in people whacking off in their car on the way to work because all the sudden the wifes not around, the laptop is open, badabing badaboom hand in pants. Or maybe thats just me.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40606 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:05 pm to
I look forward to the day that every car in line at a light moves at the same time when the light goes green.

That will be a joyous day.
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:14 pm to
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Driverless cars could cripple police departments.....those unions will fight


quote:


Traffic fines exist to promote public safety. By definition, a self driving car that will always follow all traffic laws should be something that cops want as a direct benefit to public safety.





Cops don't want this. Cops are nothing more than revenue collectors with a badge and gun. It's not about public safety. It's about money and power and control.


Do you really believe that? Most cops spend the majority of a shift answering calls for service from the public. The most common calls are home and business alarms, domestic disturbances, shoplifting, and suspicious people wandering around residential areas. Sure there are traffic divisions but most "beat" officers don't condut traffic stops unless the person is driving in a dangerous manner. You can argue about this all day and insult me as much as you wish but what I posted above is an accurate description of a large department.
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