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re: Driverless cars could cripple police departments.....those unions will fight
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:02 pm to elprez00
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:02 pm to elprez00
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Not to mention, with the appropriate sensor packages, a computer will be simultaneously aware of its entire envelope of existence. If someone cuts out in front of the car, the computer will already know that it needs to decelerate and change lanes as there is an opening 6 feet to the rear drivers side. It won't have to "check the mirrors". Not to mention the computer will know precisely how much force to apply to the brakes, and based upon the speed its traveling, relatively know how long it will take to stop the car.
Will the computer be able to make value judgements?
Suppose the computer is faced with the choice of hitting an obstruction in the road or running off the road off into a forested area. If the obstruction is a small child vs. a small monkey - will the computer be able to make the value judgement that it is worth running off the road if its a child but not if its a monkey? Suppose the car is occupied by the driver and his 3 young children. Will the computer be able to decide its worth it to take the life of the child in the road to save the lives of the children in the car? How does that get programmed into the machine?
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:02 pm to C
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I took it as being two cars are heading off a cliff. The computer chooses one car to ram the other car keeping it from falling.
I take it as a pedestrian stepping into traffic on the interstate in an attempt to commit suicide. Will the car take the person out or ram another car in order to avoid him because it has the potential to produce less damage?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:04 pm to DanTiger
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I take it as a pedestrian stepping into traffic on the interstate in an attempt to commit suicide. Will the car take the person out or ram another car in order to avoid him because it has the potential to produce less damage?
Dan,
The current google car actually reads all objects within like 50 feet of the road. It wouldnt be surprised by someone stepping out into traffic, as it would, as well as the other hundreds of vehicles, recognized he was there and moving onto the roadway.
I suggest doing research into CURRENT capabilities, before offering hypotheticals that have already been addressed and solved.
tia,
Cpt.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:07 pm to CptBengal
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here is the cop....afraid of losing revenue generation!
Dude, I don't give a flying fook one way or the other about this. I, personally, would not want to ride around in a computer driven car but if that is what others want I say go for it. For a person who is against Orwellian developments I would think that this would not be on the top of your list.Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:09 pm to DanTiger
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For a person who is against Orwellian developments I would think that this would not be on the top of your list.
They track every movement currently. At least I can ride in style while they do it.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:10 pm to CptBengal
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Dan,
The current google car actually reads all objects within like 50 feet of the road. It wouldnt be surprised by someone stepping out into traffic, as it would, as well as the other hundreds of vehicles, recognized he was there and moving onto the roadway.
I suggest doing research into CURRENT capabilities, before offering hypotheticals that have already been addressed and solved.
That sounds promising. I don't feel like researching this topic as it is not something I am terribly interested in. I will just read the summaries that you and the other poster list here.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:12 pm to SpidermanTUba
Tuba, we can go through any imaginable situation. You're missing the point.
If you are driving, and you come across a driver in a car stopped in the middle of the road with three adolescent monkeys in the back, whats the first most likely thing you're going to do? Stomp on the brakes, then probably try to avoid the car. Do you switch lanes? How long do you wait before you try to swerve? Do you know precisely, given the weight of your car, how long it will take to stop while traveling at 65 mph?
The car encounters the same scenario. It senses the stalled vehicle, knows the distance and speed it is travelling. The car knows that if it applies the brakes, it will take 45 feet for it to stop. It also knows the left lane is clear, so it can simply avoid the obstruction. Also, the car wont be speeding, it wont be looking at is cell phone, it wont be tired from a long day of work.
Imagine a self driving car has a "bubble" around it, where it knows precisely where everything is within that bubble. How much of that bubble while driving are you really aware of?
Id still be willing to bet this system will perform leaps and bounds better than human drivers.
If you are driving, and you come across a driver in a car stopped in the middle of the road with three adolescent monkeys in the back, whats the first most likely thing you're going to do? Stomp on the brakes, then probably try to avoid the car. Do you switch lanes? How long do you wait before you try to swerve? Do you know precisely, given the weight of your car, how long it will take to stop while traveling at 65 mph?
The car encounters the same scenario. It senses the stalled vehicle, knows the distance and speed it is travelling. The car knows that if it applies the brakes, it will take 45 feet for it to stop. It also knows the left lane is clear, so it can simply avoid the obstruction. Also, the car wont be speeding, it wont be looking at is cell phone, it wont be tired from a long day of work.
Imagine a self driving car has a "bubble" around it, where it knows precisely where everything is within that bubble. How much of that bubble while driving are you really aware of?
Id still be willing to bet this system will perform leaps and bounds better than human drivers.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:13 pm to CptBengal
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They track every movement currently. At least I can ride in style while they do it.
I would think this would make it worse but that could just be my paranoia regarding this subject. Optimally I would have two cars, one with self driving technology and one without. If I were to go on a long trip I would certainly use my self driving car.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:15 pm to CptBengal
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Dan,
The current google car actually reads all objects within like 50 feet of the road. It wouldnt be surprised by someone stepping out into traffic, as it would, as well as the other hundreds of vehicles, recognized he was there and moving onto the roadway.
What if the guy simply kept running over from the left lane into the right lane? Would this completely shut down the interstate as the cars continue to move right in an effort to avoid him?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:24 pm to DanTiger
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I, personally, would not want to ride around in a computer driven car
Likely for the same reason that people are scared to death to fly, yet drive every day, even though the risk of death from plane crash is much much lower. Its the false sense of safety being "in control of your own destiny" gives you.....even though you really aren't control of some a-hole tboning you while running a red-light.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:35 pm to AUbused
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Likely for the same reason that people are scared to death to fly, yet drive every day, even though the risk of death from plane crash is much much lower. Its the false sense of safety being "in control of your own destiny" gives you.....even though you really aren't control of some a-hole tboning you while running a red-light.
Hell, with modern flight control systems, the pilot is technically using the stick to tell the computer where he wants to go. Google 'Fly-by-wire'.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:46 pm to CptBengal
I LOVE this technology and its potential
My favorite parts:
1. The near total obsolescence of the auto insurance industry. These companies are largely evil and predatory imo. Good riddance to them.
2. The idea of "highway patrol" and "traffic cop" being totally obviated. Most of what these guys do is beneath the dignity of a law officer, and now they can spend their time catching and preventing real crimes instead of babysitting and wrist-slapping naughty innocent people.
My favorite parts:
1. The near total obsolescence of the auto insurance industry. These companies are largely evil and predatory imo. Good riddance to them.
2. The idea of "highway patrol" and "traffic cop" being totally obviated. Most of what these guys do is beneath the dignity of a law officer, and now they can spend their time catching and preventing real crimes instead of babysitting and wrist-slapping naughty innocent people.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:12 pm to TigerRad
I am excited, maybe less people will get in wrecks
As it stands now in BR, the PD only gets like 20% of revenue from a traffic citation.
As it stands now in BR, the PD only gets like 20% of revenue from a traffic citation.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:20 pm to schexyoung
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An increase in the number of automated cars would increase the likelihood of automated car's colliding.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:24 pm to burgeman
I hope this means I get to save the future using a classic Olds [link=(442 Car Chase: https://youtu.be/teFXjTSQGDQ)]442[/link]. 
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:57 pm to bencoleman
You didn't score high in reading comprehension, did you?
As the utilization rate increases, there will come a point when two automated cars crash. The theoretical question is, will/can/should the program if capable make a life saving decision by re-routing one car in favor of the other? If so, by what criteria?
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An increase in the number of automated cars would increase the likelihood of automated car's colliding.
As the utilization rate increases, there will come a point when two automated cars crash. The theoretical question is, will/can/should the program if capable make a life saving decision by re-routing one car in favor of the other? If so, by what criteria?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:24 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Will the computer be able to make value judgements?
People drive off the road all the time today trying to avoid animals. We really suck at driving when you compare it to other things in our daily lives.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:35 pm to C
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I think we are many decades away from computers being able to effectively determine the various scenario results in the milliseconds necessary to avoid the crash. Crashes are still going to happen. Deaths will still happen. But I'm betting they will be many magnitudes safer than the average driver today. May even be as good a driver as I am at some point in the future...
I'd bet 100 times out of a 100 that these crashes will be caused by a human behind the wheel, not the car driving itself.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:39 pm to C
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If it did, we'd already have driverless cars.
bullshite. Unless Google wants the lawsuit from hell, they have to be 100% positive that any crash this car gets into will be solely due to human error. This is still at least another decade away from being street legal in most the US.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:45 pm to DanTiger
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Do you really believe that? Most cops spend the majority of a shift answering calls for service from the public. The most common calls are home and business alarms, domestic disturbances, shoplifting, and suspicious people wandering around residential areas. Sure there are traffic divisions but most "beat" officers don't condut traffic stops unless the person is driving in a dangerous manner. You can argue about this all day and insult me as much as you wish but what I posted above is an accurate description of a large department.
I've heard in Louisiana that cops aren't as bad about the tickets, but go to other places, like LA or Bumfrick Arkansas, and some officers write 30 speeding tickets a day.
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