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Posted on 1/27/19 at 1:15 pm to HempHead
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price is paid by dysfunctional society; not by denial of salvation.
so...something you guys are making up, out of guilt and fear.
Similar to fundamentalist preacher who claimed Katrina was due to bohemian culture in.New Orleans.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 1:20 pm to CelticDog
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so...something you guys are making up, out of guilt and fear.
No, not really. A decadent and immoral society will atrophy and collapse. The best way to prevent those from developing is by having a common religious bond and ethics in a society, though it will inevitably happen anyway. Folks are less likely to succumb to degenerate behavior if they have a genuine belief in its consequences.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 2:03 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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Your response to my post is just semantics. You can walk everything down the morality path if you try hard enough, but the fact remains that it isn’t stealing if it complies with law. The law may be unjust, but if your link to morality is “theft” then your grounds are baseless.
Goodness... sound and fury signifying absolutely nothing...Do you even read what you write?
So if something is codified by law it can only be unjust but not moral or immoral?
Wow...thank goodness your Einstein brain wasn’t around during slavey or segregation....
Posted on 1/27/19 at 2:04 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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No. The laws do not derive from religion. The Founders and the writers of the Constitution varied in their religious beliefs.
That is incorrect... Yes there were variances in beliefs, but they were all steeped in Biblical religious tradition and English tradition.
Much of the US Constitution was taken from the British. The British laws were based on men like John Fortescue who based their philosophy on good government from the Bible.
It is often taught that it was the classical liberals/Lockeans who are the primary basis of the US Constitution... He did have influence, but it was Fortescue who preceeded Locke and who looked to the Bible for the core foundational ideas that made ours and the British government model.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 2:07 pm to HempHead
Right on HempHead... You should read The Virtue of Nationalism when you get the chance. He hits on the idea of a common bond being critical to a functioning government. I don't know if you ever listen to EconTalk, but the author was interviewed on there. It was very enlightening.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 2:09 pm to gamatt53
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would assume if a progressive was arguing in favor of socialism they would point towards Denmark or another Nordic country for their “facts
Posted on 1/27/19 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It deals with the individual
It actually promotes a government, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 2:38 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It actually promotes a government, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
Am I forced to pay taxes? Can God arrest me?
It's no gubment.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:18 pm to Revelator
Seems to me, there are really only two main world views. Some people blend parts of one with the other, but one either believes in God - or believes in no God.
Theist or atheist, said simply. And, we draw everything from that. If you believe in God, and in His law, then you believe murder and theft are wrong. If you don’t believe in God, then your sense of right and wrong is pretty untethered.
Just my opinion, but it seems to explain why some people are so vile and aggressive on positions that are atheistic. I think those people, when they sit down and are honest with themselves, must be terrified sometimes.
But, my simple “system” sort of answers your questions, Relevator.
Theist or atheist, said simply. And, we draw everything from that. If you believe in God, and in His law, then you believe murder and theft are wrong. If you don’t believe in God, then your sense of right and wrong is pretty untethered.
Just my opinion, but it seems to explain why some people are so vile and aggressive on positions that are atheistic. I think those people, when they sit down and are honest with themselves, must be terrified sometimes.
But, my simple “system” sort of answers your questions, Relevator.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:36 pm to dcbl
some will think I am crazy, but I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
I believe exactly that. He will not compel us to do anything. He granted mankind our free agency to serve whom or whatever we will serve. I happen to appreciate that and believe in him and his gospel, to the best of my knowledge. I fear I fail him daily.
No nation will rise above its homes and no success in the world can compensate for failure in the home.
de Tocqueville: sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers—and it was not there. . . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests—and it was not there. . . . .in her rich mines and her vast world commerce—and it was not there. . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution—and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.
I believe exactly that. He will not compel us to do anything. He granted mankind our free agency to serve whom or whatever we will serve. I happen to appreciate that and believe in him and his gospel, to the best of my knowledge. I fear I fail him daily.
No nation will rise above its homes and no success in the world can compensate for failure in the home.
de Tocqueville: sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers—and it was not there. . . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests—and it was not there. . . . .in her rich mines and her vast world commerce—and it was not there. . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution—and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:39 pm to Themole
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Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.
This.
Too bad the world has corrupted the churches instead of the chuch influencing society.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:51 pm to Revelator
I'll give you this, you're more consistent and genuine than the overwhelming majority of those on this board and in society as a whole. That's respectable on some level regardless of the beliefs in question.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:05 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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Because our laws should be derived from our Constitution, not any one religion. Religion is great, but it shouldn’t be used to change law.
It doesn't matter why laws are created...just that they are created using a democratic process...and that they aren't unconstitutional.
It's ok for Christians to work democratically to change or create a law.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:16 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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Link? This is a new exaggeration I’ve not yet heard.
LINK
We have to use “ze,” a made-up word that carries an obvious political connotation (endorsement of the “non-binary” view of gender). We have to call people “him” and “her” even if we believe that people’s genders are determined by their biological sex and not by their self-perceptions — perceptions that, by the way, can rapidly change, for those who are “gender-fluid” — and that using terms tied to self-perception is basically a lie. (I myself am not sure whether people who are anatomically male, for example, but perceive themselves as female should be viewed as men or women; perhaps one day I’ll be persuaded that they should be viewed as women; my objection is to being forced to express that view.) We can’t be required to even display a license plate that says “Live Free or Die” on our car, if we object to the message; that’s what the court held in Wooley v. Maynard (1978). But New York is requiring people to actually say words that convey a message of approval of the view that gender is a matter of self-perception rather than anatomy, and that, as to “ze,” were deliberately created to convey that a message.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'll give you this, you're more consistent and genuine than the overwhelming majority of those on this board and in society as a whole. That's respectable on some level regardless of the beliefs in question.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:37 pm to dcbl
Even the Devil knows you can deceive far more with the truth than with any lie.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:38 pm to dcbl
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some will think I am crazy, but I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
Not crazy
The good shall become good and the good shall become bad.
It's happening. Think of lighting a building up in celebration for a law that allows murder.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:40 pm to Revelator
Pimp started a thread similar to this a few weeks ago.
His point was pretty much the same.
Basically, in the "old days" when the moral right was preaching you could mock them, ignore them, etc.
Today, if you treat the moral left the same way, you are in danger of losing your job, career, etc.
Notice the progs in this thread are arguing, again, that their stance is based on "facts" and "morality". Convenient to claim morals now, isn't it?
His point was pretty much the same.
Basically, in the "old days" when the moral right was preaching you could mock them, ignore them, etc.
Today, if you treat the moral left the same way, you are in danger of losing your job, career, etc.
Notice the progs in this thread are arguing, again, that their stance is based on "facts" and "morality". Convenient to claim morals now, isn't it?
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:48 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Today, if you treat the moral left the same way, you are in danger of losing your job, career, etc.
Some in this thread have disputed this, but it's a fact. Wether it's done by a law or is done independently of a law doesn't matter to the person affected.
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