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re: DOJ Again Refuses to Give Judge Boasberg Sensitive Information on National Security
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:44 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:44 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Why read drivel from some other left wing hack?
*libertarian.
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In the affidavit linked, there is one reference to fentanyl, and it's only possession. So even by that Grok standard, the dog doesn't hunt.
Fentanyl is one of the main factors in labeling Tren de Aragua as an FTO. I like how you think that you’re smarter than AI, so you think that you’ve collectively consumed more information than Grok at this point?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is the shoe bomber and 9/11 not sufficiently local for you? Did not Obama seek to try him criminally in Manhattan?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:45 pm to therick711
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Is the shoe bomber and 9/11 not sufficiently local for you?
That was clearly an attempted act of terrorism.
Not normal organized criminal activity.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:46 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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national security issue.
Is a completely subjective phrase, to the discretion of the POTUS
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:47 pm to Epic Cajun
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I like how you think that you’re smarter than AI, so you think that you’ve collectively consumed more information than Grok at this point?
You realize I cited to you an affidavit by an ICE official justifying arrests and it only referenced possession of fentanyl, right?
And Grok only referenced China and Mexico (in what you posted at least). Not TDA or even Venezuela.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And Grok only referenced China and Mexico (in what you posted at least). Not TDA or even Venezuela.
Here you go:
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Yes, Tren de Aragua, a Venezuelan transnational criminal organization, has been increasingly linked to the importation of fentanyl into the United States, though its role is not as dominant as that of major Mexican cartels like the Sinaloa Cartel or Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG). Originally emerging from a prison gang in Aragua, Venezuela, Tren de Aragua has expanded its operations across the Western Hemisphere, engaging in a range of criminal activities including human trafficking, extortion, and drug trafficking. Evidence of Tren de Aragua’s involvement with fentanyl has surfaced through law enforcement actions and official designations. For instance, in August 2024, the DEA’s Denver field office seized 12 kilograms of fentanyl linked to Tren de Aragua members—enough to produce about 6 million lethal doses—highlighting their growing role in the U.S. drug trade. Posts on X from that period also noted this seizure, reflecting public and media attention on the group’s activities. Additionally, U.S. authorities, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), arrested Tren de Aragua members in South Carolina in January 2025 on fentanyl-dealing charges, further tying the gang to the drug’s distribution.
I didn’t think that part was up for debate.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You realize I cited to you an affidavit by an ICE official justifying arrests and it only referenced possession of fentanyl, right?
Why are you getting in the weeds on this? The specific charges and information are irrelevant to this discussion.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Based on the allegations in the affidavit linked,
SFP, arguing legal nuance, by presenting an article as his evidence.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You realize I cited to you an affidavit by an ICE official justifying arrests and it only referenced possession of fentanyl, right?
Right, but the affidavit discusses illegal distribution of drugs and narcotics and narcotics violations numerous times.
This is a pathetic attempt to play some sort of gotcha, even for you
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:52 pm to Epic Cajun
TdA and other gangs/cartels have also smuggled humans, including potential terrorists from other countries, and weapons into the country.
I think the national security claim is probably a bit spurious, but the point is that it's not my call - or the judges - to make.
I think the national security claim is probably a bit spurious, but the point is that it's not my call - or the judges - to make.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:52 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Why are you getting in the weeds on this? T
Well now you're arguing normal criminal activity is part of "national security".
That's scary expansion of fedgov authoritarianism to a person who wants limited government. "The weeds" are now important in light of this desired expansion.
The War on Drugs and War on Terror were bad enough for our rights used in exclusivity, combining them into some federal superweapon is legit scary.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:52 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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SFP, arguing legal nuance, by presenting an article as his evidence.
The article has a link to the ICE affidavit, which is what I was referencing.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:53 pm to LSUFAITHFUL2
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but the affidavit discusses illegal distribution of drugs and narcotics and narcotics violations numerous times.
Normal criminal activity. Not "national security" issues.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:54 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I think the national security claim is probably a bit spurious, but the point is that it's not my call - or the judges - to make.
I feel like Trump has made it pretty clear that he feels like the importation of fentanyl is a threat to national security.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well now you're arguing normal criminal activity is part of "national security".
No I'm not. I'm saying that we don't get to define that. I'm not even saying I like it. But I like the judiciary being able to define it even less.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well now you're arguing normal criminal activity is part of "national security".
Actually, you're just adding a meaningless modifier to engage in the no true scotsman fallacy. By your standard, Noriega engaged simply in "normal" criminal activity.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:59 pm to Epic Cajun
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I feel like Trump has made it pretty clear that he feels like the importation of fentanyl is a threat to national security.
And I'm saying this should be scary to any liberty-loving American, especially whose who believe in small government.
This strategy-polity to combine the WOD and WOT is the largest power grab by fedgov since the Patriot Act
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh look SFP still hasn't found 1 out of the 90 or so cases against admin actions that he disagrees with. 
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:01 pm to tgrgrd00
quote:amazing eh?
Oh look SFP still hasn't found 1 out of the 90 or so cases against admin actions that he disagrees with.
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