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re: DOJ Again Refuses to Give Judge Boasberg Sensitive Information on National Security

Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:30 pm to
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I find it funny you think the democrats might try to deport foreign nationals e

My concerns focus on citizens.

The illegal application of this law, by your argument, matters not whether you're a citizen or illegal. It's not to be questioned and unreviewable.
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:30 pm to
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I want them to be able to stop violations of law by the Executive when needed.

Violations of law in these cases are almost always 100% a matter of opinion. Which means that lower court guy can have all the opinions he wants but they aren't so equal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:31 pm to
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This is as irrelevant to the overall discussion as all of your hypotheticals about U.S. citizens being among them.

If they will manufacture fake "national security" lenses for illegals, I don't know why you think that would be irrelevant for citizens.

Citizens can present "national security" issues.

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I thought we weren't arguing the merits of the case, just the the tedious underlying procedures?

I'm arguing the standards and arguments, among which is the absurd use of "national security" by the admin that should scare the shite out of anyone who fears government.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:32 pm to
I have no doubt your mind is too small to see the difference.

"Manufacture" and "fake", huh? Show your work, counselor.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:32 pm to
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There is no actual national security issue involved.


This is a matter of opinion. You have no facts to back up your claim.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:33 pm to
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I have no doubt your mind is too small to see the difference.

If there is no legal review (and in combination with the AUMF, no facts can even be dispensed), there is no real difference.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:34 pm to
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receipts are being saved for when the DEMs continue to act in kind as always when they regain the Presidency


FIFY
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:35 pm to
These liberal Federal Judges have been asking for a fight for DECADES.

Trump is gonna give them one! No doubt.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:35 pm to
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There are plenty of supreme court decisions discussing the proper avenues for non justiciable controversies.


And if the executive refuses? Impeachment is the only ultimate remedy.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 1:44 pm
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:37 pm to
You're disingenuous. If you're going to misrepresent what is said (and more importantly, disregard what the statute provides), there is no sense in engaging with your attempt to emotionally manipulate the gullible.

But what if the president kills citizens en masse using the endangered species act for support? That's exactly what's happening here. Sure it is, slow.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:37 pm to
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"Manufacture" and "fake", huh? Show your work, counselor.

Difficult with them hiding behind "national security" to let us judge the facts at hand.

Has "national security" ever been cited for localized criminal activity?

Again, I'll post this article

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In some cases, those individuals were deported simply for being in the same car or house as other suspects. In others, a Trump administration official admits that there is little specific evidence tying some deportees to any crime—and then, incredibly, argues that the lack of evidence should be taken as proof of criminality.

"The lack of a criminal record does not indicate they pose a limited threat," wrote Robert L. Cerna, an acting field office director for ICE, in a sworn affidavit filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., on Monday night. Cerna goes on to write that "the lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose. It demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile."

That's a laughably weak argument. Cerna is arguing that the Trump administration has the power to deport any immigrant suspected of having ties to the Tren de Aragua gang, even if the evidence is thin and never proven in any court.

Imagine siting on a jury and being told by the prosecution that there would be no evidence presented of any crimes being committed, but that you should simply take the prosecutors' word that the suspect seems like a bad guy. Any reasonable juror would vote to acquit—if the judge didn't laugh the prosecutors out of court first.

Or simply flip the argument around. Would Cerna take evidence of criminality as proof that someone was not a criminal? Of course not.


Based on the allegations in the affidavit linked, they don't seem to have a slam dunk RICO case yet, let alone a "terrorist organization" creating "national security threat".

Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:38 pm to
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You're disingenuous.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:39 pm to
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There is no actual national security issue involved.


Here’s what Grok has to say about this:

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Yes, fentanyl importation poses a significant threat to national security. Fentanyl, a synthetic opioid 50-100 times more potent than morphine, has fueled a public health crisis in the United States, with overdose deaths skyrocketing in recent years. Its importation, primarily from countries like China and Mexico, undermines national stability in several ways.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:40 pm to
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Here’s what Grok has to say




In the affidavit linked, there is one reference to fentanyl, and it's only possession. So even by that Grok standard, the dog doesn't hunt.
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL2
Member since Feb 2024
151 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:41 pm to
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My concerns focus on citizens. The illegal application of this law, by your argument, matters not whether you're a citizen or illegal. It's not to be questioned and unreviewable.


The courts exist to address grievances of individuals. If a US citizen was accidentally deported under the Alien and Sedition Act, then that citizen could challenge that.

What is not justiciable is the executive’s ability to determine that there is an invasion or predatory incursion…or even just a threat of one, by a foreign government and the removal of that threat. That decision is not subject to legal review.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Has "national security" ever been cited for localized criminal activity?


Good question counselor. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, arrested in Pakistan for "local" criminal activity in the United States. Housed in Guantanamo Bay. Under your made up theory, the president would have to prove he was a national security threat if he tried to remove him in 1983.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
32015 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:42 pm to
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I'm arguing the standards and arguments, among which is the absurd use of "national security" by the admin that should scare the shite out of anyone who fears government.


No, you are choosing your framing to suit your needs.

The Alien Enemies Act specifically names non-citizens as legal targets. Yet you keep bringing up citizens, when none have been named, or even suggested. Of the tens of thousands of illegals deported since Trump took office, how many were citizens? Probably none, but perhaps a few got caught up and I'm sure it was remedied in short order.

And regarding the claim of "national security" being false or absurd in your view - that is completely irrelevant to the argument. The president has the power to claim something is a national security issue.
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:43 pm to
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What is the remedy in any non justiciable controversy?

I just want everyone on your team to state this clearly.

As Bunk posted earlier, receipts are being saved for when the DEMs act in kind when they regain the Presidency.



You continue to make this statement daily.... My response is the same:
Do you think once Dems regain the Presidency that they will cut Republicans/Americans any slack??

They won't look back for reasons to not continue on their same destructive plans for this nation or anyone standing in their way. It doesn't matter what happens between now and then, they will be full steam ahead. It's best to make the most of this American First momentum.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:43 pm to
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, arrested in Pakistan for "local" criminal activity in the United States.

And you called me "disingenuous"

Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
14225 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:43 pm to
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Again, I'll post

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ERIC BOEHM

Why read drivel from some other left wing hack? We already have you
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